Forearm conditioning...

[rubthebuddha]

the average person can handle a couple hundred milligrams of vitamin c every few hours. more than that goes right in the toilet. that's why you should take it in moderate amounts throughout the day -- just like everything else.

[IronFist]

OK.

1. Weight lifting can make the bones more dense, but it's probably not going to do a whole lot for your conditioning. Repeated impact will increase density, tho. Look up Wolff's law (I think that's what it's called).

2. Most men don't need extra iron, gung fu or not. Unless you like being constipated have having stiff joints. If you eat a normal diet (ie. you're not a vegetarian), you don't need extra iron.

[blooming lotus]

Originally posted by FngSaiYuk
Vitamin C is excellent against bruising. Make sure you get a lot more than the basic recommended 100% amount per day.

Sometimes it's just straight genetics, some people will ALWAYS bruise.

is this because the vit c aides iron absorbtion and cellular skin elasticisty / strength etc or is there something I missed???

is ODing the RDI ( recommended daily intake ) wise though??? , promting toxicity for folks who don't know the difference can't be great. Toxicity for vit c gives you dried and peely, itchy skin!! ( eeewww!!)

I do maybe a litre ish to 1200 ml a day max but flush hard core with water and something tannin based like good teas . I'm not 100% but I think the tannin acts like a partial assitringent , but I do it cold , I do it bitter and I do frequently.


What are we recommending here??

[FngSaiYuk]

Good point on the ODing on Vit C. Most people have no problem taking 10x the RDI amount esp. throughout the day, since VitC is water soluble.

These are suggestions to look into. It's difficult to be more precise in anything since we don't know the body type and biochem reactions of this particular persons body. For all we know there could be just a genetic predisposition to bruising.

Here's a solid suggestion, though. Try to find a sports doctor who is familiar with the forearm conditioning training that can examine the body, training, diet and lifestyle. This is in the severe cases when the bruising is a constant concern and affects other aspects of training.

[Ming Yue]

In my training I do a lot of forearm conditioning excercises. When I first started I was bruised practically from wrist to elbow. I AM one of those people who bruise easily - very fair skinned - and now I will still bruise after a tough session, but my bruises are less painful and heal much more quickly. I also don't feel pain at all anymore when drilling.


I was assured by my doctor that repeated bruising over a bony area will not result in long term damage, as long as the bruise is not at or below basal skin level. Even hematomas, raised bruises, will heal completely and not cause compounded damage if you bruise the same area over again. Don't pound overly hard on an existing bruise, however. Use your Jow and make sure you're healed before your next session. If you have to train through a bad bruise, compression wrap it.


I bought a galvanized metal plumbing pipe from the hardware store, about 1.5 inch diameter. I filled it with sand and plugged the ends with rubber caps and roll that over my forearms for about 20 minutes three times a week. palms facing, forearms parallel with the floor, roll the bar from wrist to elbow and back. then seated, put the bar across your thighs and roll your forearms across it, this time working the back side of your forearms.

I also reccommend training with skinny 15 year old boys. I've got a handful like that in class and thier forearms are like banging your arms on the edge of an unsharpened sword.

[Vash]

[tasteless humor]

Originally posted by Ming Yue
I bought . . . skinny 15 year old boys. I've got a handful like that . . . their . . . like banging . . . the edge of an unsharpened sword.

I don't know what to say.

[/tasteless humor]

[Ming Yue]

ok now, don't make me stop this thread.

[IronFist]

rofl @ Vash!!!

[Meat Shake]

"is ODing the RDI ( recommended daily intake ) wise though??? "


Hmm... RDI's....

I maybe should start a whole nother thread on this...
RDI's were established in the 40's or 50's, using men in their 20s and 30s. The men that they used were healthy white males, none athletes however. No females were used in the studies.

Im just curious, but how relevant can this information be to a 20 year old thats training 25 hours or more a week? Even more, what about an obese 15 year old girl with no athletic activities? Or an average 40 year old female with moderate cardio vascular activities?
Possibly we need to establish a more specific means of determining necessary daily intake.

BL - this isnt an attack on you, just something Ive been meaning to bring up and you were the first one to remind me of RDIs.

[rubthebuddha]

to further meat shake's point, the RDAs/RDIs listed values of bare minimums for maintenance/avoidance of disease. if you're a young, sedentary, white male whose BCI is around 2000, then the values are what you should ingest to avoid unhealthy consequences of a shoddy diet and otherwise maintain the status quo.

however, few on this forum are sedentary, young, white males who desire to remain the same. most are constantly changing their body composition (or at least trying to, in ironfist's case). to cut fat from one's body the non-surgical way, one needs to adjust his or her diet accordingly. the same is for muscle growth, increases in strength, etc.

add this to research that has been showing a lower nutritional value of many plant-based food products (fruits, veggies, etc.) due to constant farming and the reputed nutrient leeching of soil, and we get nutritional numbers for foods that may not match what the USDA found 50 or 100 years ago. an orange from a century ago probably isn't the equivalent to its ancestor.

[Ming Yue]

the info on nutritional content of modern non organic plant food is interesting.. have any links to share? I googled but got weak results.

[KaiKhoon]

I've had low iron for a long while now, better never suffered any results such as low energy. I've eaten more meat, taken pills nothing seems to get it to where its supposed to be, but I still have no problems with energy, if anything I have to much .

[blooming lotus]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
"is ODing the RDI ( recommended daily intake ) wise though??? "


Hmm... RDI's....

I maybe should start a whole nother thread on this...
RDI's were established in the 40's or 50's, using men in their 20s and 30s. The men that they used were healthy white males, none athletes however. No females were used in the studies.

Im just curious, but how relevant can this information be to a 20 year old thats training 25 hours or more a week? Even more, what about an obese 15 year old girl with no athletic activities? Or an average 40 year old female with moderate cardio vascular activities?
Possibly we need to establish a more specific means of determining necessary daily intake.

BL - this isnt an attack on you, just something Ive been meaning to bring up and you were the first one to remind me of RDIs.

Hmm...dong ( understand )

like to play the variables myself.regardless of present relevance.....


no hard feelings : just talking shop right??


AND Believe me because I usually and ideally train 11- 12 hrs daily and 6 - 10 min otherwise.


Sincerely intersted because to be honest I 'm really not sure on the rdi history. no doubt there are vARIANTS WITH TIME BUT PLS, CHAT ON ..... YOU WERE SAYING???


ps: appology for "yelling " but too busy to go back and change ??

[Serpent]

For the Australians it's worth bearing in mind that most RDI's on food products are 10 - 20% greater than necessary.

bl, you're raving again.

[blooming lotus]

just a lil pis*ed this morning ...

point taken

Ps: if rdis are 10 - 20% > , mind toxicity ha

does someone have a link for the folks ??