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[Killingthetiger]

Exactly what does Taichi Tang Lang Draw from Taichi? I see the forms and i don't really get it.

[mantis108]

This is an interesting question. I can offer you some thoughts. Please bear in mind that these are personal observations and they do not represent others' view but my very own.

First and foremost, it is currently accepted in mainland China that there are basically 4 main styles of Shandong Tanglangquan. They are Taiji (Grand ultimate), Meihwa/Taiji Meihwa (Plum Flower), Qixing (Seven Stars) and Liuhe (Six Harmonies).

Within each styles, there are substyles. There is no doubt that both Taiji and Meihwa/Taiji Meihwa are derived from Classical Tanglang of Liang Xuexiang.

There are many theories about the name Taiji Tanglang. Some people seem to think that it is a blend of Taiji and Tanglang; hence, there is the confusion. Some people even claim that Liang Xuexiang has Taiji Training which has not be substantiated.

Classical Tanglang of Liang Xuexiang DID NOT include Taijiquan training at all! However, the system's theories indeed derived from the I Ching (book of change). This is crystal clear as seen in the forms and in the Quanpu (manuscripts). There are plenty of "Yinying", "Gangrou", and "Huishi".

His students however could have added certain aspects of Taijiquan.

The Hong Kong branch of Taiji Tanglang was found by the later Grandmaster Chiu Chuk Kai of Shandong. This particular branch is now a substyle of the TJPM. The CCK TCPM is a blend of Taizu Men, TJPM, and Taijiquan.

I have observed the early students (mostly from Vietnam) of GM Chiu and his later students from HK. The difference is that the early students are more Tanglang like. Their movements are fast sharp and agile. The later students are swift, relaxed, body more upright, and the frame is more open. This is more like Taijiquan but being played at a much faster pace. This is somewhat a departure from one of the Classical Tanglang's main tenets "Ying Beng Shi Dao" (Hard crashing and solid crushing). This is more apparent when it comes to applications.

Hope this helps.

Mantis108

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