Baji

[Ren Blade]

I'm asking for a friend cause I personally don't follow up on traditional Baji and who's the best. I'm only aware that Adam Hsu is very qualified to teach it but he's relocated to Taiwan I heard but his school is still in operation in California. So where is some good traditional Baji training either in Virginia or Boston? My friend may move to Boston and personally I haven't seen much Baji here in Boston. Thanks in advance.

[Christopher M]

From here:

Leung Kay Chi
53 River Street
Central Square, MA 02139
(617) 497-4459

Is Adam Hsu's kungfu 'brother' - they are both disciples of Liu Yun Quao.

[Meat Shake]

Anyone got some good links on it? Ive heard a lot about it and its starting to stir my interest... That and the fact that Master Wang insists that it blends wonderfully with shuai chiao.

thanks,
Meat Shake

[MonkeySlap Too]

I've stolen from tricks from it, but I'm no Baji guy. Do a web search... If you find Kai Yu out there, let me know. He was my brief Baji teacher in Chicago before he moved...

[WanderingMonk]

http://www.wutangcenter.com/

there are couple of baji clips but do check out the short film, the challenge.

[omarthefish]

Here's a thread devoted to collecting Baji links:

http://www.cyberkwoon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12353

There's at least half a dozen good ones there.

Master Wang = John Wang?

[tigerwing]

Hey buddy,

I practiced Huo Stlye Baji for many yrs in Northeastern China when I was young, I might help you out if you can read Chinese...

[GeneChing]

Here's our baji video from Sifu Tony Chen. I study under him, but he hasn't kicked down any baji to me yet. Maybe someday.

[WanderingMonk]

Originally posted by omarthefish
Here's a thread devoted to collecting Baji links:

http://www.cyberkwoon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12353

There's at least half a dozen good ones there.

Master Wang = John Wang?

Omar,

MS is in Texas, study shuai chiao (Combat shuai chiao), I think you know what the answer to your question is.

Master Wang believes baji's power + PM hand techniques + shuai chiao's throw will make a excellent MCMA.

[SPJ]

Good links.

I grew up in Taiwan. Master Liu Yun Qiao and Zhang Xiang San were both great teachers of Liu He Mantis. Master Liu also taught students Ba Ji Quan.

I was only a student of student. So I had to call Master Liu Si Gong or grand teacher or teacher's teacher.

Here is a memorial site.

www.bajimen.com

[count]

SPJ,

What years did you spend at Wu Tang, and are you saying you learned six harmonies praying mantis there?

[SPJ]

Hi;

I heard about Wu Tang which is a training center formed by Master Liu. I was never a student there. I studied with other teachers. I was not a direct discipleship with Master Liu. Both Liu and Zhang were big in the "70. I was in Chien Kuo High School, then. All the Kuo Shu clubs in high schools and colleges. They all teach mantis seven star mostly. Only a few Liu He. The Kuo Shu Club at Taiwan University (Tai Da), there are lessons for Liu He Mantis.

Most of my teachers are retiree from the services (Army, military police, air force, police etc).

[SPJ]

I was told that Wu Tang was to promote Wushu. Their curriculum were thus more generalized.

On the other hand, my mentorships with different teachers were more specific.

Some of the legends about lineage of Liu He Tang Lang.

Wei San was from Lai Yang Shan Dong. He robbed the rich and helped the poor. He was always wanted by the Qing government. His left hand was fused fingers except the thumb. He thus had the nickname "Duck web Wei San". One day, he was injured and hid in Lin Si Tzun house. He knew Lin's father. Out of gratitude, Wei San only taught Liu He Tang Lang to Lin.

Lin Si Tzun studied Luo Han Quan and Duan Tzwei with his father. He studied Mantis with Wei San for a decade. Once he singlehandedly defeated over 20 people. The millionare Ding hired him as security till 80 years old. In the mean time, he taught 2 people Mantis. Millionare Ding's son, Ding Tzi Chen and another local Wang Ji Zhen. However, Ding Tzi Chen had all the original teachings.

Both master Liu Yun Qiao and Zhang Xiang San are students of Ding Tzi Chen.

Zhang Xiang San also studied 7 stars with Tsou Dzou Ho.

Ding Tzi Chen was very good friend of Ba Ji Quan master Li Su Wen. Liu Yun Qiao was Li Su Wen's student in Ba Ji. Liu then studied Liu He with Ding Tzi Chen.

Master Liu taught presidential body guards and secret services in Taiwan. He had many students in the services.

I am only indirectly his students' student in Ba Ji and Liu He Tang Lang.

Wang Lang-> student unknown->Wei San->Lin Si Tzun->Ding Tzi Chen-> Liu Yun Qiao-> students-> SPJ.

[omarthefish]

Originally posted by WanderingMonk
, I think you know what the answer to your question is.

Well...his location is listed as, "The beast under your bed." so I wasn't sure.

It's kind of cool to hear that though. It fits perfectly with my current training emphais. Well, I'm not that interested in PM but I definately feel that Baji blends really well with an awfull lot of throws, especially the kind that Master Wang seems like, ie. it's ok to use a little brute strength. lol. The crash and bash of Baji get's you thrown right into that kind of kissing closeness you need for most throws.

[count]

SPJ,
I wonder if you could help me identify the 2 guys on the right in this photo? You've already named 3 of them but I haven't been able to put a name on the others.