What does lineage means?

[yellowpikachu]

What does a lineage means?

A ritual?
A method?
A way of performance?
A way of training?
A different philosophy?
A family tree of a tribe?
A.... ?

[PaulH]

Lineage : The progression path from a certain origin in time. A line of inevitable hobbyists and artists feeding and growing from the fame of a celebrity! =)

P.S.

The Good: A further refinement or improvement of skills/special abilities from the old timers.

The Bad: The black sheeps who have gone astray and seem to delight in embarrasing the good sheeps to no end.

The Ugly: Like an ugly swam among their brethren ducks, they just bide their time. There is hope!

[Vajramusti]

Lineage: identifying who one has learned from or is learning from
and when followed right-respect for people who have taught.
Claiming a lineage and having a lineage are not the same things.
Also, no guarantee of quality control anywhere in the line.... more so with the coming of mass marketing..
There is the additional question- lineage in which art? Is an art-just a name?
Is sometimes a necessary but not sufficient marker of the possibility of some quality control in kung fu.
Greshams law- bad money drives out the good.

[yellowpikachu]

What is the job of a lineage holder?
what is the function of a lineage holder?
what is the qualification of a lineage holder?
Who can be a lineage holder?
what is the responsibility of a lineage holder?

Is a lineage holder a head of a tribe?
Is the lineage holder an abott of a temple?
Is the lineage holder the one with the mind seal?
Is the lineage holder the best fighter?
is the lineage holder the one goes out bring more stuffs into the lineage makes the lineage looks great eventhought those stuffs is not from the past?
Is the lineage holder ........


when is the lineage vanished?

[Ernie]

What does a lineage means?

in the end --------------------------- nothing



lineage holder = ego/false pride holder of nothing

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by Ernie
What does a lineage means?

in the end --------------------------- nothing

that is the same with a name.

in the end.......................... vanishing and forgotten.

But then why name exist?

[Ernie]

Originally posted by yellowpikachu
that is the same with a name.

in the end.......................... vanishing and forgotten.

But then why name exist?

human weakness trying to be more then what one is , not accepting mortality , cycle of life all thngs die and are forgotten

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by Ernie
human weakness trying to be more then what one is , not accepting mortality , cycle of life all thngs die and are forgotten

certainly, there are a big part to that. but then, there might be other great reasons too.

[Ernie]

Originally posted by yellowpikachu
certainly, there are a big part to that. but then, there might be other great reasons too.

no i'm sure i covered all bases when i said

lineage = nothing/ego/human weakness


that's my final answer

[yellowpikachu]

lineage might have to do with a proven process of operation.
lineage holder is then the person who master every steps and outcome of the process.


Say, there is Soto Zen, they have a pracitice type. The making of lady lee cookies, they have a unique cookie making process. Starbuck coffee, they have a unique coffee making process.....


One with coffee and starbuck plastic cup doesnt mean has the same coffee making process of starbuck and doesnt limit to not blewing good coffee.


lineage is franchise of making centain things in a certain way?

[Ernie]

still falls under false pride and ego

one would like to believe they have this or that ''unique'' way . and thus close there mind to all other ways and fight for there small place in time [ fear of being mortal ]

so the give it there family name and continue on with the illusion
for generations , minds stay closed and eyes get blinders


when if one just looks around you will see people from all over the world doing the same '' unique'' thing in one way or another


ego is a funny thing

it is so hard to let go of the need to feel special

[PaulH]

Ego is just an identity and nothing to be ashamed of. Pride of being yourself is healthy and good. And that's why America loves a winner! And no, I'm not ashamed to admit this! =)

[azwingchun]

Say, there is Soto Zen, they have a pracitice type. The making of lady lee cookies, they have a unique cookie making process. Starbuck coffee, they have a unique coffee making process.....

Could be in the beginning, but even yourself...you mention evolution of things. So with evolution does the true lineage (as you are speaking here) slowly die and become or grow into something new?!?!?!?!?!?!

Since we are on the product idea, even Pepsi changes and adds new flavor. What happens to the old Pepsi, is it not great any longer?

But seriously, I have my ideas on lineage.....one being to not give great merit to one just because he comes out of a great or well know lineage. Again, it is the student and not so much the lineage.

But at the same time (without naming names), I do give respect to the teachers in my lineage out of respect. I don't know if I would call it ritualistic, just pure respect. But at the same time, I am no longer with that lineage or any lineage to speak of, just as I prefer it! But the respect for those before me is still there and passed on to my students.

I guess I look at it more as my background and the background of those to come through me, and not much more. Just my opinion anyway!

By the way, lineage, when speaking to another Wing Chun practitioner , is or could be a great point of reference to understanding why or where this other person is coming from.

[Vajramusti]

Ernie sez:

What does a lineage means?

in the end --------------------------- nothing
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I enjoyed taking a good look at the latest IKF story on Gary Lam's use of po pai jeung. Me thinks lineage atleast in part made it possible.

[Ernie]

how do you mean Joy !

because you are familer with the action since we have a shared training system

or something else ?