Is Shaolin-Do for real?

**shen ku** · 12-12-2012, 01:46 PM

Just like that, kung fu = great skill? or master of.. Karate = china hand, empty hand..? I kind of always had this little idea (yes, little mind=little idea, maybe) like if years ago I saw a sign that read tiger kung fu... Some writings but words in defferent orders then english does, so could the sign be ment to read Master of Tiger, in a way?? Any thoughts??

**Syn7** · 12-12-2012, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by kwaichang

Who cares how a word of Chinese origin is spelled. Ma is spelled that way , but we say Ma Bu and may be saying Horse or Mother. Better work on saying it right instead of with the wrong tone and mean something else. Screw following the PC crap spell it how u want . Just say it the right way. You guys kill me also who says Halopinio, or Jalopeno? KC

It's not about political correctness. It's about not being lazy and ignorant. Something that seems to be acceptable to some. It's weak.

**Syn7** · 12-12-2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by themeecer

Exactly. Someone needs to tell Gene about this debate. He has 227 items listed on martialartsmart.com with the word tai chi attached to it. Oh the sacrilege!

Yeah, except it is not pronounced Tai Chi, no matter how you spell it. Tai Chi is for people too lazy to learn how to say it properly. 40 years ago yall had an excuse. Today you have none!

**Syn7** · 12-12-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by OldandUsed

Some folks get their skirts all in a twist for a perceived/imagained transgression on a wide variety of subjects. Be it history, lineage, language, attire, or whatever. I am more of the sort that tries to get along and mind my own business. If I see someone do or say something I do not agree with, I just make a mental note and move on. It is not my problem. If they ask my opinion, I may give it if I do not see any harm from it. If they wish to impose their position on me, I may politely decline or just ignore them. If they put their hands on me, well, then I would deal with that as appropriate. Other than that, it is all just a silly discussion, isn't it? Take the name of my hometown, Louisville. I have heard that as Louavul, Looieeville, Louis-ville and some I cannot reproduce. As long as I understand what you mean, it is all good to me.

It's not about transgression or causing offence. It's about excellence and doing things right. If you can't even be bothered to say it right, why should I believe you can be bothered to DO it right.

**Empty_Cup** · 12-12-2012, 03:47 PM

SD Warm Up from the KET Series (1981):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3mIW...ature=youtu.be

**brucereiter** · 12-12-2012, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Empty_Cup

SD Warm Up from the KET Series (1981):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3mIW...ature=youtu.be

Some good warm ups.
I heard sin the showed some tai chi chuan on one of these programs. I would be interested in seeing it.

**Jimbo** · 12-12-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by shen ku

Just curious, how do you define the terms kung fu and/or karate?

Technically, for CMA it would be wuyi or wushu...or Zhongguo (China) wushu. Kung fu (or better spelled gongfu) of course, generally meaning skill developed through time and work, can refer to any endeavor...cooking, carpentry, etc., and even to skill in non-Chinese MA. A good karate man can be said to have good gongfu in his art.

I still often write the old Wade-Giles "kung fu" out of habit instead of gongfu.

**shen ku** · 12-12-2012, 04:41 PM

thats what i mean, the meaning behind the words them selves

**tattooedmonk** · 12-12-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by brucereiter

Some good warm ups.
I heard sin the showed some tai chi chuan on one of these programs. I would be interested in seeing it.

I believe it is episode 14 .... I have those on VHS..

**Leto** · 12-12-2012, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Judge Pen

Funny you say that, because the old handwritten notes of Sin The listing the black belt material romanizes these form names as "hua chien", "tai chi chien", "pa kua chang", "shing ie chien" etc.

You're right, he consistently wrote them all phonetically with "chien" on his curriculum document from the 80's, I didn't even notice that. It makes sense.
I want to reiterate that I didn't really care that much about the phonetic spelling anyone wants to use, especially when we're talking about non-mandarin dialects that don't have a standardized method. It was the comments calling the proper romanization "gay crap" and "PC crap" which I thought was uninformed and ridiculous. So you pronounce things the way Sin The does, with his southern dialect, that doesn't make people who use mandarin "gay". Not to mention the problem with using the word "gay" as a derogatory adjective (now there's some "PC crap" for you.)

**Syn7** · 12-12-2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Orion Paximus

My actual opinion on the subject is this; even outside of just doing Gong Fu, f you are going to go the effort of wearing Chinese clothes, putting up Chinese decorations, participating in Chinese ceremonies like all that is some how traditional, they why butcher without care or hesitation a part of the culture that is way more important to that culture, its language, than all of that other stuff combined?

Very well said!!!

Not the point I was trying to make with my posts, but VERY valid point. Just one more in the clip, as far as I'm concerned.

**Syn7** · 12-12-2012, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

You're right, he consistently wrote them all phonetically with "chien" on his curriculum document from the 80's, I didn't even notice that. It makes sense.
I want to reiterate that I didn't really care that much about the phonetic spelling anyone wants to use, especially when we're talking about non-mandarin dialects that don't have a standardized method. It was the comments calling the proper romanization "gay crap" and "PC crap" which I thought was uninformed and ridiculous. So you pronounce things the way Sin The does, with his southern dialect, that doesn't make people who use mandarin "gay". Not to mention the problem with using the word "gay" as a derogatory adjective (now there's some "PC crap" for you.)

As I was browsing SD material like a year ago I took notice of an inconsistency in spelling and pronunciation? Was it always like that or did it SKT just evolve in that and some students chose to just keep going with what they originally learned, hence the mishmash thing?

**Empty_Cup** · 12-12-2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by brucereiter

Some good warm ups.
I heard sin the showed some tai chi chuan on one of these programs. I would be interested in seeing it.

I have seen a TJQ clip but will have to hunt for it. The best TJQ I've seen him do is on a separate vid (the one where he's wearing a robe sort of thing). I don't have access to that vid.

The other clip I plan on posting from the KET series is EMSm performing a few postures from Yijin jing.

Stay tuned.