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  1. #4801
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    Edit:

    Can you post techniques from your school?
    Last edited by WhiteEarp; 02-09-2007 at 03:49 AM.

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    I'm curious too. Do you have Monkey techniques to(short range techniques)?
    Cause the only monkey-ish kungfu you'll see today are people rolling over the floor pretending to be a monkey! (you don't see snake kungfu crawling over the floor do you )
    My master loves the monkey art. The most kungfu he was taught are from monkey masters from Hong Kong and Indonesia. But these days it's hard to tell. Monkey kungfu has allways been a very secretive art.
    Tong Bei Quan is something that comes very close.
    It's ashame there is so much water between the schools! I would love to come down and take a look myself.

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    Thanks for the info, Whitearp

    Can't really tell from the photo whether it was Ie Chang Ming or not. Only Hiang or Sin could really verify that (b/c we're not used to seeing pics of him from the side view). But I'm sure they would be able to tell, and they might even recognize the setting........*hint* *hint* for all of you SD'ers with access to GM Sin. He might be interested in this. Show him a pic if you can......

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    This is about as good as I can get it without too much pixelation.

    Is this supposed to be Ie with Hiang?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    This is about as good as I can get it without too much pixelation.

    Is this supposed to be Ie with Hiang?
    I have seen this picture from one of Hiang's students
    BQ
    Last edited by Baqualin; 03-17-2007 at 10:18 PM.

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    Well now i am confused:-S
    At the back of one of the photos it says "Sifu Hiang".
    Now then i don't know what it is. is it Sifu le of Sifu Hiang??:S
    My master cannot tell me more, since he doesn't know either. I think he wants to email Hiang a couple of pictures and ask him who this is.
    Let's hope he'll respond!
    (to the SD people, if you see him or speak to him sooner show him this picture!! We really want to know.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteEarp View Post
    Well now i am confused:-S
    At the back of one of the photos it says "Sifu Hiang".
    Now then i don't know what it is. is it Sifu le of Sifu Hiang??:S
    My master cannot tell me more, since he doesn't know either. I think he wants to email Hiang a couple of pictures and ask him who this is.
    Let's hope he'll respond!
    (to the SD people, if you see him or speak to him sooner show him this picture!! We really want to know.)
    OK, the young person in the picture is Master Hiang The...Grand Master Sin The's younger brother.
    Last edited by Baqualin; 03-17-2007 at 10:16 PM.

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    Ok, I am confused. The picture that Wyatt posted, where did get it? Was it one thats his teacher had?

    Then BQ mentioned that he had seen the same picture from one of M. Hiang's student.

    Help me here, I am old and my mind is slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteEarp View Post

    Like in Choy Li Fut you'll recieve weapon training at some point. (i believe from green sash or orange, i would have to check it) And you'll also use the Chinese terms. Sei Ping Ma for horsestance etc.
    Well, it certainly wouldn't be between sashes, because Kung Fu schools don't have belts, at least not traditional ones.

    Does your Sifu require you to sign a contract of payment for a certain period of time?

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    Well, it certainly wouldn't be between sashes, because Kung Fu schools don't have belts, at least not traditional ones.
    hi njm,

    are you implying that the schools to which i linked below are not traditional kung fu schools? i am not sure i understand your post ???

    a quick google search for "kung fu rank" found many kung fu / cma schools do use a ranking system and use colored belts or sashs ...
    i did not investigate the quality of any of these schools beyond the fact they are cma and use ranking system. many of these schools have very good reputations and many i have not heard of beyond this google search.

    http://www.eagleclawatl.com/new/eagleclaw/program1.html
    http://www.greencloud.net/949615.html
    http://www.kungfutoday.com/index.php
    http://www.adamhsu.com/index.htm
    http://www.nykungfu.com/programs/adult-kung-fu.asp
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parrella
    http://www.yaukungmun.com.au/Syllabus.htm
    http://www.kungfuusa.com/instructors.html
    http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/asso.../ranking/index
    http://www.kungfu.cc/kfrank.shtml
    http://bama.ua.edu/~slkungfu/rank.html
    http://www.fuhok.com/school.htm
    http://www.kungfuarnis.com/kungfurank.html
    http://www.ironpalm.com/ranks.html
    http://www.wangsmartialarts.com/
    http://school.ymaa.com/training/ymaa...taijiquan1.php
    http://www.kungfu.cc/instr.shtml
    http://www.kungfu-wusu.com/schedule.php
    http://www.taiyimkungfu.com/Home.php
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1321/
    http://www.kungfukc.com/curriculum.html
    http://www.hasayfu.com/lamtang/hunggar/faq

    as i am looking for traditional kung fu schools with ranking systems i am getting board because there are soooooo many :-) i could go on listing but i think you might geet the point ...

    Quote Originally Posted by NJM View Post
    Does your Sifu require you to sign a contract of payment for a certain period of time?
    what does it matter? no contract, 1 month contract, 6 month contract, 1 year contract ... does this have any bearing on the instruction?

    if you do not want a contract find a teacher/school that does not require one.
    if i owned a school i would want at least 1 month tuition paid in advance ... ya gotta make a living after all ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqualin View Post
    Take it easy man....WhiteEarp is from another country and is nice enough to communicate with us we should return the favor, repectfully.
    BQ
    I just want to see these pictures. So far there have only been two and the old guy doesn't appear to the be same person in the pictures.

    In anyway case I would love to hear Sin The's opinion on these.

    I'm still a little confused on this Father/Grandfather thing. I though the story was that Sin The started out with the teacher who had him hitting sand. He went looking for another school and found Master Ie's school. If this is the case how could they be related.

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    [QUOTE=BoulderDawg;737810]I just want to see these pictures. So far there have only been two and the old guy doesn't appear to the be same person in the pictures.

    In anyway case I would love to hear Sin The's opinion on these.

    I though the story was that Sin The started out with the teacher who had him hitting sand. He went looking for another school and found Master Ie's school.

    This is correct.
    BQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoulderDawg View Post
    I just want to see these pictures. So far there have only been two and the old guy doesn't appear to the be same person in the pictures.

    In anyway case I would love to hear Sin The's opinion on these.

    I though the story was that Sin The started out with the teacher who had him hitting sand. He went looking for another school and found Master Ie's school.

    This is correct.
    BQ
    The other version comes from someone else.

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    grandfather / father question

    This is a mistaken term for the literal meaning. Calling someone uncle, sister, or what relative title is given to someone in China in which you hold in high regard, who is close to your family. It is quite possible that after an extended period of time that Sin and Hiang came to be known as his grandsons or he their grandfather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaolindoiscool View Post
    hi njm,

    are you implying that the schools to which i linked below are not traditional kung fu schools? i am not sure i understand your post ???

    a quick google search for "kung fu rank" found many kung fu / cma schools do use a ranking system and use colored belts or sashs ...
    i did not investigate the quality of any of these schools beyond the fact they are cma and use ranking system. many of these schools have very good reputations and many i have not heard of beyond this google search.

    http://www.eagleclawatl.com/new/eagleclaw/program1.html
    http://www.greencloud.net/949615.html
    http://www.kungfutoday.com/index.php
    http://www.adamhsu.com/index.htm
    http://www.nykungfu.com/programs/adult-kung-fu.asp
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Parrella
    http://www.yaukungmun.com.au/Syllabus.htm
    http://www.kungfuusa.com/instructors.html
    http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/asso.../ranking/index
    http://www.kungfu.cc/kfrank.shtml
    http://bama.ua.edu/~slkungfu/rank.html
    http://www.fuhok.com/school.htm
    http://www.kungfuarnis.com/kungfurank.html
    http://www.ironpalm.com/ranks.html
    http://www.wangsmartialarts.com/
    http://school.ymaa.com/training/ymaa...taijiquan1.php
    http://www.kungfu.cc/instr.shtml
    http://www.kungfu-wusu.com/schedule.php
    http://www.taiyimkungfu.com/Home.php
    http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/1321/
    http://www.kungfukc.com/curriculum.html
    http://www.hasayfu.com/lamtang/hunggar/faq

    as i am looking for traditional kung fu schools with ranking systems i am getting board because there are soooooo many :-) i could go on listing but i think you might geet the point ...



    what does it matter? no contract, 1 month contract, 6 month contract, 1 year contract ... does this have any bearing on the instruction?

    if you do not want a contract find a teacher/school that does not require one.
    if i owned a school i would want at least 1 month tuition paid in advance ... ya gotta make a living after all ...
    First of all, I want to make it clear that I was drawing no conclusions about the authenticity of your system.

    You did a google search for CMA/Kung Fu schools, and of course there are many Chinese Martial Art and Kung Fu schools which use a belt ranking system, because most have been forced to adapt to what people want. But, if the school is truely a TRADITIONAL Kung Fu school, they would not use a belt ranking system. Belts are considered something to be proud of, and a sign of your acheivement. Striving for pride is not something a Kung Fu man should do, and one's achievement should only be displayed through demonstrations of skill. That was the basic thinking behind the old Traditional Schools. I believe that if your looking for a peice of gratification so that you can show it to others/garner respect from your peers, you should not be practicing TCMA.

    Now, this is where you misinterpreted me. Just because you take a traditional STYLE, and add belts to it, does not make the STYLE ITSELF non-traditional. It makes the KWOON non-traditional. I'm not saying that you, personally, use the belt as a symbol to garner respect. But I can see no other purpose for it. I've heard it argued that the belt allows new students to recognize older ones. However, if you had a proper kwoon, everyone would know each other and would not need such symbols to identify each other's skill. The only person who deserves unearned respect is your Sifu.
    Last edited by NJM; 02-08-2007 at 05:46 PM.

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