Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[cerebus]

Well, of course, Golden Tiger misunderstood (or chose to misunderstand) my last post. Interestingly, so did TWS. I thought I put it pretty simply, but maybe not. Let's see if I can simplify a bit further.

1) Just because it's not H-I doesn't mean it isn't effective. Many arts are not H-I, but are still effective.

2) Just because it's not H-I doesn't mean it's not a valid art in it's own way. Many arts are not H-I, but that doesn't mean they are not valid.

However,
3) Just because it uses gross physical movements that are similar to those used in H-I doesn't make it H-I. Karate has movements similar to all the 5 elements of Hsing-I, but they still look like karate when they're being done. The so-called "Hsing-I" done by SD looks like a karateka trying to imitate Hsing-I.

In Hsing-I, the gross physical movements (techniques) are simply the framework through which the specific method of body movement in H-I (the ESSENCE of Hsing-I) is expressed.

I don't know if I can simplify it any further for you than that.

[Brad]

Their sparring in competition is basically karate continuous point sparring (like Master Killer said). Much more restrictive than San Shou/San Da, Muay Thai, Kuoshu San Shou, the various "NHB" groups, western kickboxing, etc. So yeah, more restrictive than the many full contact venues out there. BTW, I should have said "your grandmaster" instead of "your teacher" in my original statement. I've got no idea who this guys actual teacher is.

Also, if anyone wants to insult me personally, or has something else personal to say to me please pm or email me because I'm not going to be able to be on here every single day answering posts directed specifically at me I doubt it will be too much of a problem, but just thought I'd give a heads up

[BM2]

Here is something to ease your irritation.

MK, I'd doubt that it would make you go away! joking

[wdl]

Their sparring in competition is basically karate continuous point sparring (like Master Killer said). Much more restrictive than San Shou/San Da, Muay Thai, Kuoshu San Shou, the various "NHB" groups, western kickboxing, etc. So yeah, more restrictive than the many full contact venues out there.

First of all, most SD tournaments have point and non-stop divisions. In both divisions groil, down the spine and across the kidneys is legal, light contact to the back of the head. I've seen elbows used and called as points because it was considered effective technique, although there was almost no contact, otherwise he'd have been DQ'd. So long as your not kicking them in the knees, joint locking or biting them it's probably legal. Granted your not going to get points for quad and calf shots. The non-stop divisions can get pretty rough and it's very aggressive. While the full contact element isn't there, it's not point sparring either.

There are very few people in SD that train to fight full contact semi-amatuer type events. Most people are families, mothers and fathers with kids. It's just not that element so the point sparring format works well for people that aren't looking to get in over their head. However, the "restrictive" rules statement isn't really fair. I know alot of San Da events, etc that don't allow contact to areas we do.


-Will

[The Willow Sword]

I'm sure JP would prefer that you not insult his intelligence. You think that you have earned some sort of prestige or position because you think you know more than others here. You think you can talk down to others, especially if they study a martial system that you had a bad experience with. What rank were you when you left SD?

First of all i am not insulting Jp's intelligence. i am asking him if he knows about these training methods specific to Hsing i and that if he has been taught these things at Sd then great,,,,he has yet to reply to my questions anyway so i think it is a little presumptious on your part Dragonflydaoist to speak for him. Plus my questions to JP which he may or may not know the answers to are not to talk down to him but rather to let him know that there is more to that system than just what forms are taught.

I have earned no prestige here on the forums and i certainly do not know more than most here who practice and study in a legitamate and valid CMA. Thank the stars that i do know what i know. But as for really revealing to you what it is that i know,,well,,quite frankly its none of your buisness.

you know you remind me a little bit of myself when i was a dedicated and loyal SD follower. defending the school here on the forums,,naive to the reality that most of us here are privy to.
and for your information i spent nearly 8 years at sd and attained 2nd degree black belt ranking there. so if anyone here knows about SD and what it teaches(and what it does not), aside from the others here who are still with SD, I DO.

what rank are you dragonflydaoist?




Peace,,TWS.

[Jhapa]

1. Shaolin-Do obviously produces better people. It has been proven here.

A SD instructor in Texas was recently charged with molesting a younger female student of his. Martial arts are for fighting. People may or may not be be better off because of them. It's a dumb idea to ignore human nature.

i was told he was kicked out of the system by Master Joe way before he was charged. they were actually in some sort of a relationship, dating,... he told the girls parents regarding there relationship.

[The Willow Sword]

they were actually in some sort of a relationship, dating,... he told the girls parents regarding there relationship

Well that was smart. a 27 year old man telling a 15 year old girls parents that they are in a relationship Now he got posted on the local news here with warrents for his arrest,,fuked his carreer at SD,,and is now on his way back to the phillipines or wherever.

Joe sure does know how to choose em dont he?


hehe sorry that was a below the belt shot. excuse me please



Peace,,TWS

[themeecer]

Well that was smart. a 27 year old man telling a 15 year old girls parents that they are in a relationship Now he got posted on the local news here with warrents for his arrest,,fuked his carreer at SD,,and is now on his way back to the phillipines or wherever.

Joe sure does know how to choose em dont he?


hehe sorry that was a below the belt shot. excuse me please

He sure does .. he chose you at one time. There's a below the belt shot right back at ya.

[The Willow Sword]

He sure does .. he chose you at one time. There's a below the belt shot right back at ya

well........at least i am not a pederast. oh and i wasnt "chosen" for anything there,,i was "used". there is a difference.


Peace,,TWS

[lxtruong]

So yes, this thread is pretty pointless and a waste of most of our time... but I'm sure plenty of us will be back here tommorrow It's entertaining in a Jerry Springer kind of way, lol.

The most insightful thing said on this thread so far. It's excruiatingly obivous that no one here is going to change anyone else's mind. Yet we can't look away, sorta like a train wreck that no one can look away from.

[BM2]

oh and i wasnt "chosen" for anything there,,i was "used". there is a difference.


TWS

Sorrrry, that was below the belt

[wdl]

The most insightful thing said on this thread so far. It's excruiatingly obivous that no one here is going to change anyone else's mind. Yet we can't look away, sorta like a train wreck that no one can look away from.

Long my man, you speak the truth.

-Will

[Golden Tiger]

First off...you guys need to get out at enjoy the weekend a little more. Second, howdy Ralphie, I was wondering where you were lurking.

Now, on to the show......

well........at least i am not a pederast. oh and i wasnt "chosen" for anything there,,i was "used". there is a difference.

If you are going to use big words Willow, use them right. A pederast is a man/boy thing(Even I had to look it up). As far as I know, the incident you so kindly are refering to was man/girl. You must have overheard it at the last NAMBLA meeting or something..anyhooo.......

As for the deadly sparring matches. As someone pointed out, most of the competitors are not in it for blood. Like myself, they are people that have a family to support and not hard core fighters. Plus, the rules on contact have been restricted more and more over the years because a lot of people just didn't want to risk a payday for a trophy. Thats just the way some silly people are. They like the competition and thats about it.

As for this thread being useless, I disagree. Because of it, I have got to know quiet a few of you, get to have an outlet for the daily frustrations and get to make fun of people like TWS. IMO, this thread rocks!!!!

[The Willow Sword]

Hey thanks for the correction GT " At least i am not a Pedophile". there all better now.

as for you making fun of me,,,hey man keep it up,,it still doesnt change things really. refer back to post #845 page 57 to reread what i mean GT.


anyway,,,back to work.......ta taaa kids it has been fun re-living this whole nightmare. and yet again we have all proven that in these forums the SD threads are the MOST POPULAR,,just look at the # of posts and the # of views by people.

hahaha Gene you must be rolling your eyes and clenching your stress ball



Peace,,,TWS

[Golden Tiger]

Hey thanks for the correction GT

No problem, just doing my job.

as for you making fun of me,,,hey man keep it up,,it still doesnt change things really. refer back to post #845 page 57 to reread what i mean GT.

Wish you had posted a like. But I did what you requested.....

yet again we have all proven that in these forums the SD threads are the MOST POPULAR,,just look at the # of posts and the # of views by people.

All in good fun...

Hey JP, did you get that rope dart file?