Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Syn7]

U2 put up or shut up. Do 5 animal if you arent eating bisquits at this time. KC

Frank has a ton of clips of him and his students online. He's been pretty open about who he is, what shape he is in and what his experience is.

[wenshu]

I mistakenly thought that it was common knowledge at this point that The Shaolin Temple itself is just a facade.

The traditional Shaolin cultural heritage is still practiced, just usually not in the temple itself.

[wenshu]

I am humble about my skills

and if what I learned from SD alows my already awesome skills to improve then that is fine. What ever i use to kick ur butt is good right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQp-qX2OIZs

This weekend I'll even post some crappy form work.

I'm going to make you choke on your own words until you love me.

[Syn7]

Which one would you be?

[wenshu]

The ugly one.

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[hskwarrior]

The ugly one.

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no, you're not ugly bro. you're effin FUGLY!!!!!!

[goju]

i got sh1t all day. chicken sh1t. i know you're afraid that your form will get torn to shreads because you really ain't that good with gung fu. karate maybe. kung fu.....i'm overly skeptical.

Dont expect anything from KC.He kept saying he was going to be in my neighborhood to spar and then kept frequently changing his mind every time the date got near. Hes just a tease.

[hskwarrior]

Dont expect anything from KC.He kept saying he was going to be in my neighborhood to spar and then kept frequently changing his mind every time the date got near. Hes just a tease.

oh well. kinda figured that. too bad. he's always gonna fall short of glory

[Empty_Cup]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQp-qX2OIZs

This weekend I'll even post some crappy form work.

I'm going to make you choke on your own words until you love me.

this looks like judo so it couldn't be kung fu! It must be some kind of kungajudo

[Shaolin Wookie]

No it wasn't. You just feel dumb because you are smart enough to realize that what you said was ridiculous.

Right, because I fully intend to "create" a hybrid BJJ, Silat, SD, Capoeira form, and then market the thing as "shaolin." Hundred bucks says you didn't read the post. Or wait, let me bring that down to 20 cents, since you're less than a two-bit troll.

It's no secret that todays Shaolin temple is a sad sad joke of what it was.

So you agree, cool.

It's a PR tool now, funded by the tourism ministry and the capitalist ventures that are nuthugging.

Um.....it's regulated by the government, overseen by its ministers, and the government basically runs the whole charade.

And this means it's capitalist?

Methinks you don't know the difference between socialism and capitalism. I think you wanted the term "shallow commercialism," which is often the result of government attempts to mimic capitalism, since government enterprises always run a deficit and burueacrats get desperate for cash....and quick.

So they start selling business licenses en masse, erecting cheap housing, holding down rents (which discourages new building, since profits are limited), and basically exploiting the area. Right....that's capitalism, because everyone tries to invest in depreciating properties....L O ****ing L. If the government is involved, don't be surprised when the flies start to surround it's "produce." Hence the 1000 MA schools in the neighboring city--Dengfeng or whatever it is.

The best heritage sites in the US are privately owned. It's the government-run ventures that have ticket booths, refreshment stands, and 1000 handicap access toilets every 100 yards (to comply with other regulations, you see).

It would be cool to go have a look and walk the grounds, but don't mistake it for something deep and meaningful. It's a heritage site. Like old buildings in your city, but it doesn't mean that what is inside them is authentic to the period represented by the facade.

Cool, again we agree. "Shaolin" is a facade, and its residency in a place of martial arts authority (granted by a government bureau) does not make it authentic. I'm not saying SD is authentic. I'm saying the name "shaolin" doesn't mean much anymore, since Shaolin temple teaches basically everything.....including "shaolin groundfighting." LOL. It's a term that's as generic as "kung fu," and if it denotes anything, it's that the martial artist doing "shaolin" is wearing an orange jumpsuit.

So what is "shaolin" nowadays?

[Shaolin Wookie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQp-qX2OIZs

This weekend I'll even post some crappy form work.

I'm going to make you choke on your own words until you love me.

That's actually pretty good...and it's a ton of fun. We do the same thing in jiujitsu, we just don't stop when grounded. I notice that shuai jiao practitioners differ only from BJJ in that they often use their hands to control one knee. Hey.....we do that in SD, too.

I've never understood this about SJ, though....why do you guys go through so much trouble to bend over and try to pick someone up when you can shoot for singles and doubles from your knee and utilize leverage? Even in Harimau (silat), they shoot from a single knee and use an elbow on the hip or knee to leverage the opponent, controlling his other foot with a hand.

I run similar drills when I volunteer to teach lower belt SD classes. WAlk up, throw a combo. Defender dodges, counters, and sweeps. Attacker tries to resist. The best way to utilize our short forms, fronts sweeps, backsweeps, chinna, and throws--the core curriculum. Nothing fancy, just results. And then they have a bit to wrestle--no punches and kicks, so they can focus on chinna.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Is there a rule in Shuai Jiao that you can't throw a rear naked choke or go to your knee for the takedown? Just wondering.

[kwaichang]

worst looking Shuai Jao I have ever witnessed sorry it took me so long to get back I was throwing up. as far as Goju I had intended to get there But I am on the east side and he is in Denver I think , hey only 1500 miles " in the Neighborhood sure". KC BTW Sarcasm ever heard of it as far as skill is concerned,.

[wenshu]

this looks like judo so it couldn't be kung fu! It must be some kind of kungajudo

Shuai Jiao predates Judo by, oh, I don't know, several thousand years.

Is there a rule in Shuai Jiao that you can't throw a rear naked choke or go to your knee for the takedown? Just wondering.

Dropping to a knee will cost you a point.

There is one exception that I know of but it isn't related to any bao tui techniques. In the case of Xiao De He (similar to Judo's Kouchi Gari) you're allowed to drop to a knee without losing a point.

Headlocks are ok but you're not allowed to grab your other hand or arm to lock it in.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Shuai Jiao predates Judo by, oh, I don't know, several thousand years.



Dropping to a knee will cost you a point.

There is one exception that I know of but it isn't related to any bao tui techniques. In the case of Xiao De He (similar to Judo's Kouchi Gari) you're allowed to drop to a knee without losing a point.

Headlocks are ok but you're not allowed to grab your other hand or arm to lock it in.

Don't mind KC, not that you would anyways. That was a video of a classroom drill. SJ isn't "pretty" because opponents resist, which makes it difficult. Even with resistance, though, I could see your techniques (whichver one of the fugly guys you were). It was actually a good video of what is probably an average class that showed the skills of your teacher and your classmates in a drill setting.

Much respect.

What style of kung fu do you do outside of SJ, if you decide to post a vid?