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since you put that up ... here is a more clear copy and translation.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...ankcert-05.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...er/diploma.jpg
best,
bruce
Happy indeed we live,
friendly amidst the hostile.
Amidst hostile men
we dwell free from hatred.
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I know Bruce. You & JP the others with level heads enough are to be commended. However, the ones that "count" have chosen to remain silent or draw an unnecssary & possibly misleading "veil of secrecy" around questions that if answered would bleed off questioning.
Remember... You & JP are (I was) all "entry level mgmt" there.
Screw AlG. I'd buy one for me commemorating me winning!!!!!!
Yeah that's the one in Chen Village I think.
Yep... they're sai, although in Southern China known as (among other names) Iron Rulers. They're found in Ngo Cho Kuen, Fujianese Crane (some of them), etc... not a big shocker to see since they're in Fujian.
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What you talking about willis, I mean Sean ???? KC
A Fool is Born every Day !
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"I don't do much cardio." - Ironfist
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Wow NJM you are right. Good job you win the prize KC
A Fool is Born every Day !
myself haven't seen any south fist places claiming to be directly from shaolin, only shaolin do and a wing chun place.
i'm talking about Henan shaolin. Even if their stuff changes, they are still Shaolin. Even if they don't teach kung fu they are still Shaolin.
if you claim real shaolin, where is your qigong. where is the iron training. where is the chan buddhism.
even if shaolin do is fake that's okay with me, everybody needs to make a living. i just think to claim diresclty from shaolin you at least need some SKILLS.
Last edited by bawang; 09-24-2007 at 08:25 PM.
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those are not the facts. please do not add to the confusion ... if you have a question ask it but do not help in the spreading of mis information.
below is a basic time line of shaolin do the way i understand it. if anyone would like to correct any mistake and also add any information please do.
1880 ie chang ming was born in fukien province. At some point entered the shaolin temple and then followed su kong tai jin into the mountains.
1881
1882
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1911 ching dynasty falls, some time after ie chand ming kills ching soldiers and flees to bandung indonesia. (may have left after 1928 since ie is said to have studied with su kong until his death???)
1912
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1943 sin kwang the' born in bandung indonesia
1944
1945
1946
1947
1948 hiang kwang the born in bandung indonesia/ sin kwang the' began sandburn training for 6 months
1949
1950 sin kwang the started to study at ie chang mings school "central shaolin wushu school" in bandung
1951
1952
1953
1954 sin kwang the studied "lower school"
1955 sin kwang the studied "lower school" and awarded black belt level 1
1956 sin kwang the studied "middle school"
1957 sin kwang the studied "middle school"
1958 sin kwang the studied "middle school" and awarded black belt level 3 /some time around 15 years old sin the meets "master wu" and is introduced to internal.
1959 sin kwang the studied "upper school"
1960 sin kwang the studied "upper school"
1961 sin kwang the studied "upper school"
1962 sin kwang the studied "upper school"
1963 sin kwang the studied "upper school"
1964 sin kwang the awarded black belt level 5. sin kwang the moved to lexington ky to start college. Same year he starts teaching shaolin in lexington.
1965
1966
1967
1968 ie chang ming awarded sin kwang the 10th degree red belt grandmaster/1968 mideast national tournament, bill walace competed.
1969
1970
1971 national karate grand championship sat sept 18 1971 u.k. coliseum
1972
1973
1974
1975
1976 ie chang ming dies in bandung indonesia/some claim he died in 1968.
1977
1978 sin kwang the opens the "sports center" according to the trademark records the first use of the phrase "shaolin do" was used in 1978
1979
1980 sin the created a video tape that was used to catalog his material for and eventual copyright
1981
1982
1983
1984
1985
1986 sr master gary grooms opens a chinese shaolin center in atlanta the sign read "shaolin martial arts" + "kung fu-tai chi" grandmaster sin saw the sign and said he teachs shaolin karate.
1987
1988
1989
1990 aug 9 1990 sin kwang the registered for a copyright on the material presented in his system. the claim limit is "selection and ordering of exercises"
1991
1992 july 1 1992, sin the attends a event in bandung to honor him and ie chang ming's peers presented sin the with a case containing some of ie chang mings possessions including many notes and books about various martial arts. (i do not know any names of ie chang mings peers who were there maybe someone can help)
i think this is where a great deal of the material came from.
1993
1994 ?? System is named "shaolin do" ?? But may have been called "shaolin do" some time before.
1995 sin kwang the and james halladay release the book "shaolin do secrets from the temple"
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best,
bruce
Happy indeed we live,
friendly amidst the hostile.
Amidst hostile men
we dwell free from hatred.
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shein tein chi and hou tein chi and i chin ching i think are the foundational chi kung practices in shaolin do. so there they are ...
iron training is also a big part of the training ... some of the guys make their own jow etc and some buy it ... i do not do this practice but i have watched others train it and the method seems similar to other systems of shaolin.
from what i understand sin kwang the is a Christian. some who practice are Buddhist but that part of shaolin is not taught. i think it is better not to argue religion on the net.
keep looking and you will hear many claims from many groups that all contradict one another :-)
please ask more questions,
best
bruce
p.s. these are my opinions and the facts as i understand them. i could be wrong :-)
best,
bruce
Happy indeed we live,
friendly amidst the hostile.
Amidst hostile men
we dwell free from hatred.
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Sorry, I was just going off the certificate information that was posted. On that apparently it said he was 20 and had been learning for 10 years.
Also, the common story is he knows 900 forms:
And again, maybe I'm wrong but I thought one of the main bones of contention was his claims to be the only Grandmaster of Shaolin. E.g.:Originally Posted by http://www.sinthe.com/grandmaster.html
Implying that SD contains more than any other individual Grandmaster commonly knew.Originally Posted by http://www.sinthe.com/grandmaster.html
So am I misunderstanding something?
"If trolling is an art then I am your yoda.if spelling counts, go elsewhere.........." - BL
"I don't do much cardio." - Ironfist
"Grip training is everything. I say this with CoC in hand." - abobo
well it's good that at least some people in shaolin do are trying to make a difference. it seem quality in shaolin do is varied. one in my old city was very bad.
i'm christian too. because i am a christian i won't learn shaolin, out of respect for shaolin. shaolin is nothing without buddhism. then it would be a collection of 900 year old chinese military drills.
since mister sin the is christian, it would be rude of him to teach a buddhist martial art. he shouldn've claimed direct lineage from Taiping Heavenly Kingdom.
the taiping rebellion was awesome. jesus inspired kung fu