Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[kwaichang]

Like nothing I have ever seen in an internal system KC Awesome I feel sorry for those who quit SD prior to this time as we have learned so much over the last 3 to 4 years KC

[Baqualin]

So, I gather from an SD post on another thread that the fourth internal art has begun to be taught by Sin The....

So, what is it like? Does it feel like an incorporation of Tai Chi, Pa Kua, and Hsing-I? Or, is it something completely different in scope, etc. (being such as each of the other three internal arts are quite different in expression of power).

Just curious, as this art has been talked about by Shaolin Dokas for quite some time.

More closely related to Hsing I (same internal work) in being that it's not soft and flowing like Tai Chi or some Pakua's....multiple (12 to 28 continuous) high speed attacks to pressure points in all directions...360 degrees.....like a meteor shower.......very snake like and every attack is expressed with fajing.....also has kicks, sweeps and attacks from the ground.
BQ

[Kung Pao]

If it's snake-like, do you think it's a precursor to him teaching his snake style? From what I know, he's never taught in the style he claims that he's a master of.....

To be honest, the legitimacy of his system is probably dependent on him showing mastery of his master style....or so I gather from Shaolin Doka threads.

[kwaichang]

Golden Snake is reserved for the next Grand Master, I would think, or only for those who have shown complete dedication to him and SD. KC

[Baqualin]

If it's snake-like, do you think it's a precursor to him teaching his snake style? From what I know, he's never taught in the style he claims that he's a master of.....

To be honest, the legitimacy of his system is probably dependent on him showing mastery of his master style....or so I gather from Shaolin Doka threads.

To be honest, the main people who question the legitimacy of our system are people in the cyber world that know nothing about Shaolin Do and will never take the time to find out or talk face to face with GMS. Teaching the golden snake has nothing to do with anything except Golden Snake.....which by the way there's physical proof of his mastery of this particular system
40 years & still growing makes it pretty legit to me....how many styles can claim that

It's really kinda of sad that one of the first people to bring CMA to the states catches all the flak he does.....he should be appreciated for what he's done for CMA's down through the years.....That goes for you too Gene...you should give GMS a closer look...talk to him more in person....you might be surprised...he lives in your area now
BQ

[Baqualin]

Golden Snake is reserved for the next Grand Master, I would think, or only for those who have shown complete dedication to him and SD. KC

I would suspect the latter KC
BQ

[kwaichang]

BQL DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT THIS i DONT? pm ME KC

[Meat Shake]

Golden Snake is reserved for the next Grand Master, I would think, or only for those who have shown complete dedication to him and SD. KC

Golden snake eh?
Yeah, I bet it can be you and sin the's little secret.

[kungfujunky]

Golden snake eh?
Yeah, I bet it can be you and sin the's little secret.

what a valuable post

man you need to troll somewhere else.

[Kung Pao]

I'm not trolling, I'm actually a little interested. I took some shaolin do awhile back. But once I recieved the 3 crane forms at brown belt, I moved on. I wanted more crane, they said there wasn't anymore except in seminar format, which we couldn't dictate, so I moved on and found a crane master. No hard feelings. I just knew what I wanted to study, and it wasn't what was on hte menu.

But the issue of Golden Snake(? his master style?): When I was younger and in college, I took physics, mathematics, chemistry, english, history, and the like. But I would only claim to be an authority in my major field, right? Why wouldn't I teach the one I had more experience in? It doesn't make sense to me.

Oh, and I'm not questioning his skill. I saw him multiple times in person, and even at a tourney or two doing exhibitions.

[Baqualin]

I'm not trolling, I'm actually a little interested. I took some shaolin do awhile back. But once I recieved the 3 crane forms at brown belt, I moved on. I wanted more crane, they said there wasn't anymore except in seminar format, which we couldn't dictate, so I moved on and found a crane master. No hard feelings. I just knew what I wanted to study, and it wasn't what was on hte menu.

But the issue of Golden Snake(? his master style?): When I was younger and in college, I took physics, mathematics, chemistry, english, history, and the like. But I would only claim to be an authority in my major field, right? Why wouldn't I teach the one I had more experience in? It doesn't make sense to me.

Oh, and I'm not questioning his skill. I saw him multiple times in person, and even at a tourney or two doing exhibitions.

Gms has his own master plan for teaching out the material....for the last 10 yrs. he's been building the internal side of the system...which now is offered seperately from the external side......you can't please everyone KP. My interest is in the internal, so I'm in heaven now...I'm getting everything I've dreamed of and more. That said, there's people in the system that are only interested in the external side and they would like more in that direction....everyone is different...we will get it all eventially....I'm sure we'll see Golden Snake someday when he feels it's time......like I said even with all this material you can't please everybody. I've been lucky enough to get what I'm interested in
BQ

[Baqualin]

Golden snake eh?
Yeah, I bet it can be you and sin the's little secret.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BQ

[kwaichang]

Yeah Meat Shake that is why you will never have anything, atttude. You trained in SanMarcos right then left couldnt take it. KC

[Leto]

Isn't it common for the master to reserve the "best" part of his style for family only, or for only select students? It may not seem to make sense to our western understanding, where we want to show everyone our best right away. But I know people who refuse to even talk about their family's art, never mind teach it to a bunch of strangers. Is it possible Sin The has this sensibility also?

like in Fist of Legend The son of Fok Yuen Gap says "This style is not for the 'others'", and then shows Chen Zen the family mizong fist, which Fok Yuen Gap hadn't shown to any of his students.

[Meat Shake]

Yeah Meat Shake that is why you will never have anything, atttude. You trained in SanMarcos right then left couldnt take it. KC

LOL!
Couldnt take it eh?
Look up Kirk Woeller, San Antonio Combat Shuai Chiao association.
Look up John Wang in Austin, Texas.
Watch their videos, and watch david lin's videos. Tell me that I left SD for something "softer"....
I dont see any pregnant women or children practicing shuai chiao.
Before I moved up here for college I was in shuai chiao 8 hours a week and training another 25-30 hours a week.
One more thing... The whole "dont show anyone material" is just in place so you guys dont get laughed out of town. Someone may just show you that nothing you know works besides basic kicks and punches. Someone may show you what the original version of the form looked like before Sin The watered it down.
Every fighting based style I have trained always said to freely trade information and keep what is useful, show others what works for you and what may work for them, and ask the same of them.