Is Shaolin-Do for real?

**tattooedmonk** · 10-09-2007, 05:14 PM

I have been going through my tapes of Master Sin doing various forms and I am still amazed at how well he uses proper body mechanics . From stances to shifting weight to the end of a technique. I do not care how other people see it. He utilizes all the essential aspects of proper training and movement. I know what some people think of as traditional and /or real, but to be honest, he is doing it more correctly than most people I have seen. Forget about what you think and believe to be right, if you do not understand physiology, kinetics, structural alignment,body mechanics, etc., then it does not matter . Master Sin surely does.

**The Willow Sword** · 10-09-2007, 05:15 PM

You have a bone to pick but you dont want to pick it with me .

gosh i am really shakin like a leaf. Veiled threats dont become you KC.

Am actually not picking a bone with you, just expressing my opinions of the Sd mantis material which i feel is NOT indicitive of what true and traditional mantis is.

Mantis is what my former teacher taught me primarily. certainly i havent trained as long as YOU have your "ten" years with cherokee cheif

or whomever to my measley 3 years with a student of Ng family kung fu. (see that is traceable and verified as well). hehe well maybe i am picking at ya a little bit

Walking on happily,TWS

**tattooedmonk** · 10-09-2007, 05:16 PM

Isn't this craptastic!!!

**tattooedmonk** · 10-09-2007, 07:25 PM

@ about min 2 or so in the 3rd of the series mark ho sifu says something about performing an old form for a hung kuen master called" tiger coming out of the cave" , it is an older form of hung gar(kuen) that the master did not know, but knew it was hung gar(kuen) form. Is it possible that our tiger coming out of the cave is this form?? I know that names of forms do not neccesarily mean that they are the same form , but do you thnk it is possible??

**sean_stonehart** · 10-09-2007, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by tattooedmonk

@ about min 2 or so in the 3rd of the series mark ho sifu says something about performing an old form for a hung kuen master called" tiger coming out of the cave" , it is an older form of hung gar(kuen) that the master did not know, but knew it was hung gar(kuen) form. Is it possible that our tiger coming out of the cave is this form?? I know that names of forms do not neccesarily mean that they are the same form , but do you thnk it is possible??

In a word... no.

Pure & Simple. If you've been doing Hung Ga on the side as long as you claim, you'd recognize the body mechanics aren't even ball park close between any version of Hung Ga & what SD does as "Tigers" , 3rd black "Tiger/Crane" as well.

**tattooedmonk** · 10-09-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by sean_stonehart

In a word... no.

Pure & Simple. If you've been doing Hung Ga on the side as long as you claim, you'd recognize the body mechanics aren't even ball park close between any version of Hung Ga & what SD does as "Tigers" , 3rd black "Tiger/Crane" as well.

ok....but I am not talking about how SD does the forms . I am talking about the form it's self.

I have seen the SD version of the tiger/ crane form done just like Chiu Chu Ling's. Then I have also seen it done in the other way.

I have to admit ,again ,seeing the CSC videos of common forms makes me shudder. Most people do not spend enough time working on the details of the forms and do not have the proper intent.

I have been doing Fei Hu Chu Tung for over 15 years now and I see a drastic change in the way it was presented to me and now how I play it.

I understand that my outer CMA influences helped me with this but I know that the previous masters/ sifus I had in SD helped a great deal as well as, my own practice. I believe a lot of the power , stability , fluidity , etc. just comes with time and effort. Not everybody has the same amount of time or effort to put into their training.

I think if there were two different classes one for people who just want to get into shape and get healthy and then another one for real martial artist , then at some point after you have been doing it for health purposes it can/ will over lap.....blah blah bah....

**kungfujunky** · 10-09-2007, 08:36 PM

hey tm i dont want to get into a huge debate with others about this but id love to see how you do fei hu and compare it to myself

would you be willing to send me a vid of it privately?

we may have our differences but i respect someone who continues to perfect their stuff.

anyways lmk

also for mass consumption what is the most accepted best looking/most accurately done chen 83 posture vid out there.

ie on youtube or what not.

lmk!

**Baqualin** · 10-10-2007, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by kungfujunky

hey tm i dont want to get into a huge debate with others about this but id love to see how you do fei hu and compare it to myself

would you be willing to send me a vid of it privately?

we may have our differences but i respect someone who continues to perfect their stuff.

anyways lmk

also for mass consumption what is the most accepted best looking/most accurately done chen 83 posture vid out there.

ie on youtube or what not.

lmk!

I can't wait to hear the opinions for this one.
BQ

**brucereiter** · 10-10-2007, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by kungfujunky

also for mass consumption what is the most accepted best looking/most accurately done chen 83 posture vid out there.

ie on youtube or what not.

lmk!

hi kfj,

i dont know about "best" since there are so many different expressions of chen tai chi chuan.
below are links to some of the most interesting chen tai chi chuan expressions i have seen, i have learned a lot from watching them. note how different they all are from one another.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ptMHickAiVo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J4w_62WX9Rk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CPYtoFllHy8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8uu7ghVNt4M

http://youtube.com/watch?v=72yaPmAH3uw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r6Fae-nRRPA

http://youtube.com/profile?user=hunyuantaiji

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ubUcKOmWrlc

best,

bruce

**Baqualin** · 10-10-2007, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by shaolindoiscool

hi kfj,

i dont know about "best" since there are so many different expressions of chen tai chi chuan.
below are links to some of the most interesting chen tai chi chuan expressions i have seen, i have learned a lot from watching them. note how different they all are from one another.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ptMHickAiVo

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J4w_62WX9Rk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CPYtoFllHy8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8uu7ghVNt4M

http://youtube.com/watch?v=72yaPmAH3uw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=r6Fae-nRRPA

http://youtube.com/profile?user=hunyuantaiji

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ubUcKOmWrlc

best,

bruce

All but 2 are the cannon fist form...the last one of George is chen 83 and he is very good.......personally I like Ren Guang Yi's style the best.....he's very powerful and the top student of the top Chen Master.
Best to You,
BQ

**kungfujunky** · 10-10-2007, 01:00 PM

hmm

thx for the clips bruce

i have some homework to do on this form. so many different interpretations of the same moves.

**DPL** · 10-11-2007, 03:55 AM

Don't slow down now you slackers! Only nine pages to go!

SD executes with more martial intent than most TCMA. Discuss.

**sean_stonehart** · 10-11-2007, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by DPL

Don't slow down now you slackers! Only nine pages to go!

SD executes with more martial intent than most TCMA. Discuss.

Eh... 2.5 DPL.... you can do better...

But I'll bite... it executes with more intent than some kinda, just like it executes with more martial intent than say TKD... people, not style.

**Judge Pen** · 10-11-2007, 06:40 AM

Do you think Su Kong Tai Djian was the inspriation for the TMNT character "Splinter"? Discuss.

**DPL** · 10-11-2007, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Judge Pen

Do you think Su Kong Tai Djian was the inspriation for the TMNT character "Splinter"? Discuss.

Clearly he was, but it leaves open the question as to who the four turtles were modeled after, as well as their hockey-stick-wielding sidekick.

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