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"Prepare your mind..." "For a mind explosion!"
-The Human Giant, Illusionators
Good point. And correct.
Most masters fled china because of the (proven) witchhunt.
Communists are materialistic. So there is no space for "chi" and special "herbs".
But at one point they found out they lost a lot of tradition through this. So Wushu, a competition form was born.
And now some 30/40 odd years from the first wushu forms they want more traditional Kung Fu again because foreigners are taking a walk with them.
Why would so many foreigners would know kung fu, only one explanation. That a lot of masters migrated out of that communist hole.
Most traditional masters in those days could be found in Vietnam, Taiwan,Hong Kong, Indonesia or Thailland.(some mongolia)
It is no myth it is fact. Just search the internet on Chinese imigrants after WWII.
How about Wookiestyle?
With this style you can pull people's arms out of their sockets if you loose.
That would remind them to change there strategy, and let you win.
I said before I wouldn't address the lineage argument. But reading through this thread... I now want to address it.
Here's my take:
Do I think the lineage is bull****? Yes and No
Yes, I think Ie knew Kung fu and yes I think GM Sin knows Kung Fu. Do I think there was a legendary hairy monk? No, But that doesn't make it not Kung Fu. It does however make you wonder where the Kung Fu came from.
Also I'd like to add that I think it is unfortunate that GM Sin knows these questions are constantly surrounding his school. Yet he leaves his students to answer what they cannot. If I ever have the chance to speak with him and the subject of his school comes up. I will ask about the lineage and explain what his students are having to defend. (something by which he brought out in the open and only he can prove). It takes a lack of due care to put your students in that place (IMHO). I consider myself to be under M Grooms not GM Sin. (until he clears up the cloudiness)
Do I like Shao-lin Tao? Yes, and I do not think it's Karate (I know ppl who have taken Karate). But, I do think people are rushed through forms way too much. I do work on everything I learn in my free time, usually at the gym when I'm not running or lifting.
But to conclude, only GM Sin or Hiang can answer any of this. And I think there are reasons that they aren't (either it isn't provable or it's a fabrication).
No And i'm not shaolin-do, there are no shaolin-do schools in holland.
Anyway. I do Choy Li Fut , yang style tai chi and hou quan, if you read some of my posts you would know this.
Anyway, example: a kick with the knifeedge of your foot against the knee. Now, a karate practicioner first liftshis foot up turns his hip in and then kicks to the knee.
This is the karate way.
Now the kung fu way. you keep your hip and body still and lift your foot up and kick with the knifeedge and imediatly put your feet back.
Cost less time. you don't use your hip and the oponent has more difficulty detecting your move. Were if a karateka would kick him "the karate way" he would imediately see him turn his waste/hip etc.
Now those are the little secrets the masters didn't tell the japanese! So in a "kung fu way" i would consider this wrong.
But in a general martial arts way there is one rule: there are no "wrong styles" it depends solely on the practicioner. So you've must have understood me wrong.
i love to watch okinawa karate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbiN5IerC00 just much as i love to watch contemporary shaolin monks or MMA fights.
Last edited by WhiteEarp; 06-29-2007 at 06:08 AM.
How about Wookiestyle?
With this style you can pull people's arms out of their sockets if you loose.
That would remind them to change there strategy, and let you win.
From my "limited" experience, the little I have seen looks like "karatefied kung fu".
Kind of crappy too.
The thing is, Master Sin can't prove it either. Really, we know that there were more than one teacher in Indonesia and each of them taught their own stuff. Neither Master Hiang or GM The knew Su Kong Tai Djian; he reportedly died before either of them were born. If they were told about him, it would have to be from Ie and/or the other teachers there. Of course they would believe their teacher (or if they didn't I doubt they would have openly questioned him out of respect). So all the information they would have on Su Kong would be hearsay as well.
Ultimately whether Su Kong existed or didn't (in whatever capacity) is a little importance to me. There is no verifiable third-party accounts of Su Kong (although part of me would love for something like that to turn up--just to shake things up a bit). I do believe in GM The' and my teachers' ability and I think SD is a very good art. I've crossed hands with many people from differnt styles and backgrounds and, in those moments, arguments of lineage and flavor of forms seemed less important than the techniques that we were using at the time. I think that the people that I've crossed hands with came out of the encounter respecting me and what my teachers taught as I did with them and their teachers. I'm always willing to a friendly sparring session as that is what builds respect for each other and different styles. Isn't that what it should be about?
Last edited by Judge Pen; 06-29-2007 at 07:05 AM.