Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[PangQuan]

i saw some of those shaolin do guys at the park one day...they didnt do much while our class was there filming, but i saw a bit.

one guy seemed like he may have had some mean kicks, and the other guy used a dao, and a kwan dao. his movements reminded me more of japanese influence with the dao, no tight wraps, not many circular movements. and the kwan dao....lets just say its not like our kwan dao.

i wont place a judgement on a martial style, because thats wrong. We all know, have heard, and have said, that is the practitioner not the style....


we wear kung fu pants, kwons, and tee shirts with the Wu character on the back and our school name and moto on the front in small characters.

the kung fu pants are very tough, and i normally wear tee shirts out side school, even i wear kwons. Basically we dress like normal people do. with kung fu style.

i dont seem to understand the terminology mixture in SD. It confuses me.

i dont really want to sift through 90 pages of shaolin do material looking, so if possible would someone post a vid of a shaolin do, um kata, that the feel is a good representation?

[Golden Tiger]

Suppose tomorrow, your teacher decides to switch uniforms. Let's say from whatever you wear to a gi (assuming you don't wear a gi already). Do you follow his example? Do you say "you're a big phony, I'm outta here"? Which do you do.

Yes, I would.... j/k

If I remember correctly, the "Judge Pen" is a weapon that Grandmaster Sin was giving seminars on a while back.

Yes it is but no he hasn't.

I think that he did a demonstration, but I'm not aware of any seminars on Judge's Pen.

It was a set of steel chop sticks, not a "Judge Pin " per se...although.....

haven't piped in. sorry to be an @ss..

Then don't be. You should never do something that you are sorry for. Btw, I can't open the links but if they are t4he vids I am thinking of, yep, they suck. But for the record, I once heard a cover of "Stairway to Heaven" that sucked too.....

so if possible would someone post a vid of a shaolin do, um kata, that the feel is a good representation?

I soon will be able to transfer vid to files so I will see what I can do. (JP, I remeber you wanted some things, care to refresh my memories?)

[Judge Pen]

haven't piped in. sorry to be an @ss.. but, shaolindo sucks. how do i come
to this conclusion??


exibit A
tigercrane

I remember that video bothered me. I know this form. I play it differently. I've done it in front of people who have an independent understanding of Hung Gar and they told me that it's not bad, but they believe that Hung Gar plays it differently than I do. So, the point, I guess, is that SD's Tiger/Crane is different than mosts (no surprises), but is good in it's own way. I've never had anyone that really knows Hung Gar tell me how, though. I don't think that video is a great represntation though.

Sean, I'll step up to the plate. With my teacher's permission, I'll do the same portion of this form and post it here if you will film it and help me post it (I'm severely technology challenged). I'm not saying it's good, but I believe it to be better. I'll even critique myself as to what I think I do well and what I should do better. I've only had the form for about 9 months and I'm still polishing up various elements of it.

Oh, I might as well put up San Njie here to as I promised Vash that months ago and never was able to have it filmed.

Now, let's hope I don't turn into hedge (bullshido reference) and say I'll post and never do. It will be a while before I can get down to Atlanta and film and get Sean to post) Work, closing on house, holidays etc., but eventually. . . .

GT, PM sent.

[cbishop]

much respect for stepping up to the plate there. mind you that my grievance
is with misrepresentation of the name shaolin and teaching of training methods
which are not well understood. i have heard (from trusted sources) that most
shaolin do guys do train application and spend a good deal of time hashing out
those ideas in sparring sessions.

i think shaolin do practicioners would do well to find out how these forms
are trained and applied from someone who actually trains it as a primary art
and not a hodge podge of different arts and energies. otherwise.. as
enrique would say, "your sh!t is fake!!!"

in regards to the Gis. judo gi is great for throwing. very sturdy.
i've also found that a $25 d!ckies jacket is very sturdy and will do just
about the same job for most guys. (not judoka of course)
my point is that equally suitable uniforms could be arranged with western
style clothing (or middle eastern for that matter). so, why choose japanese?
it's not for me.. but, hung yi xiang taught his chinese xing yi students wearing
a japanese gi and he WAS a bad@ss.

did hedge back out on you too ?? i drove all the way to austin from
okc, and the little punk wouldn't meet up. didn't stop him from talking sh!t though.

[SimonM]

i cant even manage to come up with an answer as to why that tiger/crane was so bad. very similar to a section in a tiger/crane i know, but he had no technique at all. I wonder if he knows any of the applications to what he is doing...

It's similar enough in outward appearance to the first section of Tiger and Crane as taught at my Kwoon in Canada to be recognizeable but, I agree, it was like the bloke knew no application at all. He also had no stability, he wobbled all over the place kind of aimlessly.

Again though I must say that I am unwilling to judge a whole school off of two short vids. I look foreward to Judge Penn's take.

[cbishop]

judge pen, sorry to reply to your pm here.. but everytime i write a big fat
pm response my browser locks up, and i lose everything..

i'm not in austin, but oklahoma city. i just drive down to texas to find
other fighters of various schools to mix it up with. my older brother teaches
in san antonio, and he's my main source regarding ShaolinDo(n't).

sorry so short. my pm were much longer.. promise!

i'm betting that once you find sumdumgoy, you'll drop the gi AND the shaolindo
name.

[Judge Pen]

I don't wear a gi anymore. My teacher's schools wears the frog button tops for a formal uniform.

[MonkeySlap Too]

JP - how the Tiger/Crane is played differently is pretty easy guess - the SD method probably does not have any of the 'hay gung' skills distinctive to Hung Gar. Kind of like if you learned it out of a book without ever seeing it live...


I'm looking forward to seeing clips of 'good SD' - as we have yet to see it, even in the clips from Sin The'!

[Golden Tiger]

I'm looking forward to seeing clips of 'good SD' - as we have yet to see it, even in the clips from Sin The'!

"good SD" is an oxymoron silly boy........ How about some exciting MS2 clips?

[Judge Pen]

I'm looking forward to seeing clips of 'good SD'

I never said it would be good. I said that it was certainly different than the clip and, in my opinion, better. I'm not couting on changing anyone's minds here, but I'm one of the most vocal SDers here so why shouldn't I step up and show what I have. I'm average at best, but I work hard and I'm stubborn.

[sean_stonehart]

Sean, I'll step up to the plate. With my teacher's permission, I'll do the same portion of this form and post it here if you will film it and help me post it (I'm severely technology challenged). I'm not saying it's good, but I believe it to be better. I'll even critique myself as to what I think I do well and what I should do better. I've only had the form for about 9 months and I'm still polishing up various elements of it.

Oh, I might as well put up San Njie here to as I promised Vash that months ago and never was able to have it filmed.

Now, let's hope I don't turn into hedge (bullshido reference) and say I'll post and never do. It will be a while before I can get down to Atlanta and film and get Sean to post) Work, closing on house, holidays etc., but eventually. . . .

GT, PM sent.

You're covered. Get me the initial media & I'll take it from there.

[Judge Pen]

What kind of camera would be easiset? I don't have one and I will need to borrow of buy a camera anyway.

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[Judge Pen]

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I like you reference to Lianne Lin. You have my respect for that my friend.

[MonkeySlap Too]

Hey, I wasn't paying close attention. Your own clip, eh? I'd like to see that - and I'm not being sarcastic here either.