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Thread: Is Shaolin-Do for real?

  1. #1516
    Quote Originally Posted by kwaichang
    Here is an interesting quote !!!!
    The Willow Sword06-10-2001, 03:09 PM
    I must reply to this phrase that you keep using.
    (Legitimate CMA teachers)
    i have ,,IN FACT,,studied with a LEGITAMATE CMA teacher before i joined the SD school. his name is Eric nessen and was a student of Master JOHN ENG, who taught praying mantis and pakua and hsing-i. i was a private student of his for several years before having to move back to texas to pursue at the time a career in physical therapy. i was in louisville KY (where i am from originally) and where i trained with master Nessen. before that i was a student of CHA YON RYU which is a branch of kim soo karate under the direction of john blankenship,,before that i was studying KI-AIKIDO(seminars and clinics under teachers such as joeseph birdsong ,mark cartwright and others) this is going way back to when i was a teeneager. SO Monkey slap i have a broad experience in japanese and chinese styles.
    the fact that i am in a school that blends the two and focuses more on the chinese aspect and lineage fits with what i have been doing....in any regard i know the "LEGITAMATE CMA" world you describe. i truly apologize to you and others who feel so inclined to put SD down and assume that lies are being told to you. If you KNOW these claims to be lies then you must have DOCUMENTED PROOF to put forth to substantiate YOUR CLAIMS.
    WHERE IS IT? SHOW IT TO ME. OPEN MY EYES.
    i want footage of how these lies you say are proved,,, you continue to tell me to go to wushu tournaments or to compete and to open my eyes. WELL MY EYES ARE OPEN MONKEY SLAP ,,SHOW IT TO ME. since you care so much about telling me and others as well SHOW ME THE PROOF. i dont want to hear that the proof is in what he says becuse it is impossible what he claims and all that BS. PROVE TO ME THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SCHOOL SUCH AS OURS TO HAVE LINEAGE AT THE SHAOLIN TEMPLE.. PROVE TO ME THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE LEARNED 900 FORMS/TECHNIQUES IN 30 YRS+ WHEN WE AS HUMANS CAN LEARN AND REMEMBER WORDS AND PHRASES THAT ECLIPSE THAT NUMBER. THEY ARE SEQUENCES JUST LIKE FORMS ARE ,,JUST PHYSICAL, COMPUTER PROGRAMMERS HAVE TO LEARN 10 TIMES THAT MUCH INFO WHEN WORKING WITH CODE AND THEY HAVE REFERENCES TO DO SO,,,,SO TO DO MA MASTERS,,THEY HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN OR ON VIDEO TAPE. re-read my above first post. we will have to agree to disagree on the subject,,but what gets me is that you continue to throw mud in my direction when i dont even judge your styles legitamacy or lineage. it makes you look like another a$$ hole with an ego agenda standing on high with your hard on and your "legitimate cma teacher certification". OPEN YOUR EYES. you are not the only one who teaches kung-fu and ill bet that there are some holes in your lineage as well and some things worth questioning. how do you know that what you have been taught is the "truth or legitimate" ?cause your teacher told you it was so,,cause you read it in a book years ago,,cause you have a document to prove it? cause some little old man in china told you when you went to visit? well monkey we all have documents to prove or disprove it all dont we? lets look into your back ground and scrutinize it, shall we? and we unenlightened souls at SD will bend over for you to follow you in the ultimate grand school that is the TRUE WAY. YES ITS MONKEYSLAPS SCHOOL OF (what was it that you claim to be a teacher of?) help me out here guys,,lets here this guys credentials,,,,,ill bet they are SOLID AS a c/rock arent they? enlighten me to the true way monkey slap.
    Many respects,,willow sword.

    Whatever you think i am or want me to be,,, i am.

    This was written by Willow sounds like he was defending SD to me kc

    dude.... SHUT UP! heheheh im eeeeeevil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaichang
    Go JU Shoto kan Wado ****o Ryu are all japanese arts not to be confused with the more traditional Okinawan arts such as shuri te naha te etc the Japanese arts are somewhat linear I must admit but having trained in Japanese Okinawan KARATE for quite a long time I can assure you that SD does not resemble it, however Karate may resemble Shaolin Esp the LOhan system or Hsing Ie likewise Aikido resembles Pakua in principle kc

    Goju ryu == Okinawan (Naha te)
    ****o ryu == Okinawan (Naha te & Shuri te)

    Shotokan == Japanese via Okinawa
    Wado ryu == Japanese via Shotokan
    Goju Kai == Japanese via Goju ryu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Sanford
    I think the key word is WAS
    Excellent observation Fred. But that begs the question of why WAS he and isn't now? Did his change of heart come from some enlightenment or from a personal issue he had with his teacher?

    If it was from the first, then I would have tons of respect for him. People wake up every day and decide that their current course is not the road that they really want or need to follow. I started in a class of about 40 new students and I am the only one left. I imagine that the others decided that SD was not right for them for what ever reason. Some changed to other styles of MA and we still workout together. Instead of wasting time slamming each others preferences of style, we pull from both sources and gain in experience and ability. That is how you mature as a person and a MAist.

    On the other hand, as TWS's case seems, he had a personal issue with his teacher/school. I don't know the whole story nor do I wish to but by reading his posts and the emotions involved, we (the SDers and I am sure most others) take what he posts with a grain of salt. Perhaps his critisms are sincere but with this underlying anger, its hard to sort out what is real and what is a personal vindetta. Unfortunately, untill he can just let it go, his post do little other than provide us with a source of entertainment.
    "Pain heals, chicks dig scars..Glory lasts forever"......

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    Excellent observation GT kc

  5. #1520
    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Tiger
    I started in a class of about 40 new students and I am the only one left.
    That's hardly surprising over the course of 20+ years worth of training.

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    I'm betting most of the other 40 students dropped out within 2 years. I started with a class of 30 and 2 of us made it to 1st black. The other guy was 12 when he started and almost 16 when we tested for black.
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    When I first started back in 2k briefly, I'm the only one still around. There was a class of about 15-20 of us at the Rose Center. I took a two year work break in there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaichang
    Excellent observation GT kc
    Everyone has moments of greatness, mine just happened to have lasted for about 30 years........
    "Pain heals, chicks dig scars..Glory lasts forever"......

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    lol, GT's on a role today. I'm will to bet because of Louisvile and KY both winning. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwaichang
    btw who died and made you the king , kc

    Well he does live in TN, Elvis lived there
    I just want to know who made him Judge! j\k
    Yeah its ok to challenge somone's opinion, attacking with insults makes you a troll. Of course there are exceptions...Fred Sanford is fair game

    And for what it's worth, nobody is going to change anyone's mind, really. Just look for the constructive critism and ignore the rest.
    I suspect most are in SD are in it for personal reasons, not for competion. In any style there are some who excell and others that do not. As someone stated, if there were SDers that went to some of the CMA tournements and performed well, there would be something to base it on other than playing tag on a forum.
    VOTE FOR PEDRO '08

    Ever notice how virtually everyone agrees that 95% of all traditional schools are crap, but NOBODY ever admits to being in that 5%? Don't judge... your skill may suck also...
    Quote from SevenStar

    Just call me the Shaolin Do Wet Blanket. Gene Ching

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    Will, I thought KY lost to Michigan State.....
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    JP's posts are among the best from any in SD . I think we should make JP the SD spokesmodel
    VOTE FOR PEDRO '08

    Ever notice how virtually everyone agrees that 95% of all traditional schools are crap, but NOBODY ever admits to being in that 5%? Don't judge... your skill may suck also...
    Quote from SevenStar

    Just call me the Shaolin Do Wet Blanket. Gene Ching

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    So, what does SD actually have in common with authentic Shaolin Kung Fu?
    Those that are the most sucessful are also the biggest failures. The difference between them and the rest of the failures is they keep getting up over and over again, until they finally succeed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen
    Will, I thought KY lost to Michigan State.....
    I'll be, they did get beat.

    To everyone from Kentucky: well cry me a river.

    BM2: JP's a lawyer not a PR rep. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Royal Dragon
    So, what does SD actually have in common with authentic Shaolin Kung Fu?
    RD, old question. same answers, so I'll keep it brief:

    Stance Training(not everyone in SD has the crappy stances you see online)
    Chin Na technique
    Iron Body (Shin/Forearm/Shirt/etc)
    Physical Conditioning
    etc


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