Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Judge Pen]

sin the might have continued the legacy of fraud from bandung, since the tai chi form from bandung is also made up.



its a mix of yang style tai chi and choy lee fut with stolen lyrics slapped on the techniques

the moves are cut from various styles, and the lyrics are also cut from various styles and randomly assigned to the moves.

Sure, Sin The's teachers might have made everything else up too, but your arguments do not address Sal's opinion that this set is from Southern Shaolin Longfist. Maybe Sin The or his teacher's stole it. That's a different argument than whether or not it is an authentic set.

[bawang]

Sure, Sin The's teachers might have made everything else up too, but your arguments do not address Sal's opinion that this set is from Southern Shaolin Longfist. Maybe Sin The or his teacher's stole it. That's a different argument than whether or not it is an authentic set.

this is not southern shaolin long fist. this is a mish mash of tai chi and choy lee fut.

theres no such thing as southern shaolin long fist.

[Judge Pen]

with stolen lyrics slapped on the techniques

This also gets into the confusion on the name. Someone is trying to convince me that Sin the first taught this form to a small number of students in 1974. Maybe (I wasn't even born then). There is another argument that Sin The didn't know this form personally and some of his students learned it during the 1992 trip to Indonesia. They then asked Sin The for the notes on the lyrics (becasue he is supposed to know EVERYTHING or so he says). So he made up the lyrics to a real set that is being taught in Indonesia. These are the two prevailing arguments that I've heard. I don't know which is true but I know which I believe.

[Judge Pen]

gene ching is shaolin. have you confirmed this with him? or any other shaolin family? don't depend on one guy

He is the only one that's commented on it, but I've heard other people here tell me that he is a reputible source (he is writing the Shaolin Encyclopedia). He might be wrong for all I know. At this point I'm skeptical of everything and I'm willing to listen to a number of opinions to help me sort out my own beliefs.

[bawang]

This also gets into the confusion on the name. Someone is trying to convince me that Sin the first taught this form to a small number of students in 1974. Maybe (I wasn't even born then). There is another argument that Sin The didn't know this form personally and some of his students learned it during the 1992 trip to Indonesia. They then asked Sin The for the notes on the lyrics (becasue he is supposed to know EVERYTHING or so he says). So he made up the lyrics to a real set that is being taught in Indonesia. These are the two prevailing arguments that I've heard. I don't know which is true but I know which I believe.

let us begin with the first move



this is a ready stance in choy lee fut and village hung kuen. when students do the form, they stretch out their hands to line up and make space.

this is not even supposed to be a technique.

sin the gave it the name "great bird spreads wings" which is part of the proper bak sing/hung sing clf salute. he probably thought the outstretched hands resemble wings.

[Judge Pen]

let us begin with the first move



this is a ready stance in choy lee fut and village hung kuen. when students do the form, they stretch out their hands to line up and make space.

this is not even supposed to be a technique.

sin the gave it the name "great bird spreads wings" which is part of the proper bak sing/hung sing clf salute. he probably thought the outstretched hands resemble wings.

Did you see the Indonesian videos before they were taken down? The performer in that video does this as well.

[bawang]

Did you see the Indonesian videos before they were taken down? The performer in that video does this as well.

then it is very simple, the indonesian performers are also frauds.

havent seen the video, if it is legit, then shaolin do has butchered it beyond recognition.


we can go on to technique number two when you are ready.

[Judge Pen]

then it is very simple, the indonesian performers are also frauds.

havent seen the video, if it is legit, then shaolin do has butchered it beyond recognition.


we can go on to technique number two when you are ready.

Maybe; that is certainly an argument. I'm open to any and all interpretations. I will say that the form wasn't "beyond recognition" to Sal when he identified it.

And by all means continue. I much prefer constructive discussion.

[Judge Pen]

gene ching is shaolin. have you confirmed this with him? or any other shaolin family? don't depend on one guy

Bio: http://www.bgtent.com/CMAQigongSchoo...uctor-info.htm

[bawang]

second technique: taoist immortal bows to buddha

this is an oxymoron that will never, ever, ever, occur in any chinese phrase. what sin the meant to say was probably child prays to buddha.


the performer gary grooms claps his hands and starts rotating and gyrating like a clock.

child prays to buddha is a technique where you clap the ears. its the salute of northern shaolin kung fu.

[bawang]

you should be able to spot beauty gazes at mirror frank. its pretty obvious

[wenshu]

This thread brightens my day.

You Shaolin Do-tards are trying to justify this b.s based on your subjective observation of one form you saw performed in Indonesia twenty years ago.

What about the other 899?

[bawang]

This thread brightens my day.

You Shaolin Do-tards are trying to justify this b.s based on your subjective observation of one form you saw performed in Indonesia twenty years ago.

What about the other 899?

their anguish and despair at the breaking down of their fabric of reality gives me joy in my heart. it makes my penus very tingly, it has not happen in many years

[pazman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTVDD8yLgvE

Might be disappointing to some, but Shaolin Do's Mantis Kata is traditional, authentic, and deadly. Make no doubt about it.

[pazman]

since when did kung fu people call their forms "KATA"?

Since Mantis was all about pointy fingers, that's when.