Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Syn7]

Well that actually ties right into the whole Stockholm shaolin do thing. You look at authentic lineages that make no extraordinary claims with no extraordinary promises and they do ok. Then SD comes along with a fancy story with fancy promises and people rush in. There are thousands of SD students. And many are very devoted to the image of Sin The. Even when shown to be a liar, they still revere the man. Sin The isn't a genius, he just took advantage in a time and place where it had great effect.


Kellen, it really isn't hard to find 1000 people who want to believe in something and feel they need saving. Look at all those crackpot southern pastors in the US, a perfect example. Weak people want to believe they have a power greater than them looking out for them, whether that be a pastor, Jesus, cult leader or whatever.


As to your comment about the difference between total control and admiration, I agree. BUT, oh yes there is a BUT... one leads to the other and only suitable minds will conform. Truly strong secure individuals will show respect but not reverence. Some people are easily caught up, other aren't even capable of being swayed in such a manner. Insecure weak people have always been an easy target and are usually the backbone of the most messed organizations we have ever seen.

The difference between a "mental trick" and a true miracle are merely in ones perception. Like I said before, the weak will be swayed, the strong will not. It really is that simple. Show me one person who followed Jim Jones and CHOSE to die that was a well balanced strong willed intelligent individual with a happy life and a strong familial or communal support system? I would bet alot on that being the reason why so many got sucked in. Community, acceptance and support they couldn't find or cultivate on their own.

Hitler, Ghandi, very smart. JJ, opportunistic leach. He is no more of a genius than that Long Island Medium b1tch I keep seeing on TV. I feel sorry for people whose lives led them to believe such retardedness.

[Syn7]

Sorry for the thread jacking... Anyone mind if I run with this? It is actually relevant to the whole SD syndrome. It will come full circle again, I can already see it.

[Syn7]

Needs a pic. May I suggest doing a google search titled "retard pic"

[hskwarrior]

not sure, and neither are you. I don't know where many of the teachers at the indonesian chung yen school learned their ma's from.

i know that your lineage stole my lineages form. Thats for dang sure. Shadie biatches.

[hskwarrior]

Yeah i can do that

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On the topic of Praying Mantis, I never liked the "tang lang chien" form that everyone always criticizes (from the gif).

[...] based on his misperception of what mantis is (poking with the fingers and lots of kicks).

Misperception for sure.

That wasn't Mantis. Wasn't even good fake Mantis, or even anything martial at all.

A 9 year old kid could invent better fake Mantis after watching a Saturday's worth of kung fu movies in Chinatown.

I'm amazed at how bad that was. Looked like he was trying to invent it on the spot and kept running out of ideas.

[One student]

I taught Tang Lang for 2 years for SD, I trained in 7 star for 10 years, The Tang Lang Chien form is in my opinion a White Crane form Mantasized , why I do not know as they have a complete Tang Lang System with springy leg , Jade ring and all that goes with it. also 2 man techniques. So dont ask me what it is other than a good aerobic w/o. KC

As I understood it, Master Hiang was the original teacher of this form in SD, not GMS. Also, I was told by one in the original class it was first taught in (70's or 80's?) that it was not part of any traditional, well known, structured or formal "Praying Mantis" system, but was in fact "made up" by its creator (whether in China or Indonesia) for demonstration and conditioning purposes and passed down. Never (at least not originally) presented as part of 7 Star or other tradional Tang Lang system.

[Shaolin Wookie]

some of us grew up in very traditional chinese gung fu schools typically found in chinatown where we are learning about the actual culture of the chinese people as well. Its an honor to have someone welcome you into their culture and show you. Most of the time they can care less because you could care less.

Missing out on a huge part of kung fu with you are without the culture behind it.

Right, in other words---you must learn kung fu from a Chinese guy in order to know the real ****. If you learn it from a black guy or a white guy who learned it from a Chinese guy or read some MA philosophy in a book, then it's just watered down American nonsense.

LOL. That same mentality amongst many Chinese teachers I've met has convinced me that CMA is a haven for racialism. I'm more for the old American free-market perspective...learn what you can from the best teachers you can find, be they white, black, Chinese, or Brazilian, and make it yours--the old regulatory guild mentality of CMA be ****ed.

[Kellen Bassette]

Sorry for the thread jacking... Anyone mind if I run with this? It is actually relevant to the whole SD syndrome. It will come full circle again, I can already see it.

I'm sure it will inevitably find the circle.

The strong minded people won't be so easily swayed...but they'll always be outnumbered by the sheep. How else can the success of reality tv be explained?

[Shaolin Wookie]

I could be mistaken, but as I recall it, back in the early 80's, Master H. taught the 3 bird forms, as the Bird System was his specialty, not GMS. GMS taught, at around the same time, the 3 White Crane forms, and around the same time, the two "China Hand" forms (Lien U Chang, and Chie Chien). And in addition, there are subtle differences in the same lower level forms when taught by MH as opposed to when taught by GMS -- a hand positioned at the temple instead of extended, slight stance variations, things like that. That doesn't seem consistent with GMS making them up, at least not by himself. And if he did, MH was in on it, as his students learned the same material.

Lien U Chang and Jie Chien have enough in common with Lian wu Zhang and Jeet Kuen as taught elsewhere that I have no problem acknowledging that Sin The' didn't make those ones up. That much is clear.

It's the newer stuff that is likely made up. Doesn't make it all crap, but the forms certainly aren't demo material, LOL.

[Shaolin Wookie]

i know that your lineage stole my lineages form. Thats for dang sure. Shadie biatches.

"Stole?" What, your masters couldn't protect their intellectual property? Seems like your kung fu is weak, my friend. And your masters have much to learn about the powers of "mind property." I learned that super secret technique of mind defense long ago.

LOL. Talk about brainwashed. If your masters didn't want anyone jacking their ****, then they wouldn't make DVD's and books for others to copy from. LOL. Live by the copyright game, die by the copyright game.

[tattooedmonk]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha now that good and funny. good job a++ gold star

[hskwarrior]

[Shaolin Wookie]

Sorry, when I say lineage I have a very precise meaning...I mean that you can trace a line of transmission, person by person, back to some origin. .

Once again, you're talking about forms.


Who was the first muther****a to throw a backsweep? That's all an intellectual property debate, not an MA debate. If you want to debate lineage, SD loses. If you want to debate MA's, that's something else entirely.

Tell us something we don't know, Pazman. You're preaching to the choir. The only guys who lurk around here who still practice SD are trying to sift through BS to get at what can be verified outside of SD's usual literature.

[hskwarrior]

Scroll up and see the one with your pic