Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Judge Pen]

So MK why do you have those pics that man is Chinese right? Is that GMThe's teacher? Yes it is. Is he doing CMA? Oh my my yes he is. KC

Yes, but he is not just teaching Chinese which we were all told. MK, correct me if I'm wrong, but that gentleman claimed this was his teacher, a Dutch, who learned from Ie. If this is true, then it does validate the existence of Sin The's teacher and the proper identification of whatever legitmate material Sin The learned as kung tao.

[MasterKiller]

So MK why do you have those pics that man is Chinese right? Is that GMThe's teacher? Yes it is. Is he doing CMA? Oh my my yes he is. KC

So is Sin The is the one who f@cked it all up, then? Didn't remember that much as an adult, decided to teach for $$ to get people in his fitness gym, then made up/stole the rest of it to keep you guys paying his rent?

[Judge Pen]

These were supposed to be the collegues in Bandung, right?

[MasterKiller]

Yes, but he is not just teaching Chinese which we were all told. MK, correct me if I'm wrong, but that gentleman claimed this was his teacher, a Dutch, who learned from Ie. If this is true, then it does validate the existence of Sin The's teacher and the proper identification of whatever legitmate material Sin The learned as kung tao.

Yeah, he was a Dutch guy working in Indonesia at the time, and took classes with Ie. He said Ie only knew a couple of styles, and there were a bunch of other teachers at that school.

Invalidates all of the "We only teach Chinese" and "we adopted Gis to blend in" rhetoric, too.

[Judge Pen]

So is Sin The is the one who f@cked it all up, then? Didn't remember that much as an adult, decided to teach for $$ to get people in his fitness gym, then made up/stole the rest of it to keep you guys paying his rent?

Yep; pretty much. I think Sin The did teach some legitimate material, but taught it the way he wanted to that varied differently from the way it is still being taught in Indoneisa. The videos from Bangdung in 1992 showed some striking simularities, but some big differences, in some of the same material that is being taught in SD today.

[Judge Pen]

Yeah, he was a Dutch guy working in Indonesia at the time, and took classes with Ie. He said Ie only knew a couple of styles, and there were a bunch of other teachers at that school.

Invalidates all of the "We only teach Chinese" and "we adopted Gis to blend in" rhetoric, too.

Yes it does, but the rest of his story also validates what Hiang The was telling the students that Sin only learned from Ie, but he learned from some of the other collegues.

Wasn't the dutch guy wearing a gi in one of those photos? I think the did wear gis or whatever else was convenient to train in.

[MasterKiller]

Yes it does, but the rest of his story also validates what Hiang The was telling the students that Sin only learned from Ie, but he learned from some of the other collegues.

Wasn't the dutch guy wearing a gi in one of those photos? I think the did wear gis or whatever else was convenient to train in.

No, that's a visiting Judo guy, also white.

[Judge Pen]

No, that's a visiting Judo guy, also white.

Ah ok. Could be bull****, but Sin The also claims to have a black belt in judo. Or maybe he met a black belt once.

[-N-]

Looks reasonably legit.

[Judge Pen]

Looks reasonably legit.

From what you can see from a photo.

[MasterKiller]

From what you can see from a photo.

Shape of the guys head and face are similar to the paintings.

[Judge Pen]

Shape of the guys head and face are similar to the paintings.

I meant about him teaching CMA. I think the photos are probably of Ie Chang Ming, but you can never know. To quote Apocalypse Now, "the bull**** piles up so fast you need wings to stay above it."

[-N-]

From what you can see from a photo.

I've seen a lot worse.

From the structural details, you can tell that it was from a legit source.

[Lucas]

in regards to the engineering deal, his bio even says he got a bachelor's degree, and that he quit to be the grandmaster of shaolin

[Judge Pen]

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Nice pictures. Why the question marks?