Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[tattooedmonk]

Caps for emphasis / ass, if you could read you would see that i posted i would put some on this w/e. BTW that all you got you ***** Also this is a forum not a diction or english class. who cares if you focus on grammer or spelling. I dont. KC

hes just a troll...look he and his buddies even made fun of my name...

[brucereiter]

But the weight distribution does matter.

yes. very much so.

[kwaichang]

Would love to win it , then, I could afford to pay all these wannabees a visit and test their in person skills in their awesome MA.. KC

[brucereiter]

I'll take a look.



Fair enough. So please elaborate on your observations and critiques and let's compare to a master you believe shows a thorough understanding.

i think the method weight/mass transfer is one of the big differences.


here are links to a couple people that i think display understanding of chen tai chi chuan.
chen yu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SSiRbTAn3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1PKR...eature=related

Feng Zhiqiang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3A_0...eature=related

for a good laugh he i am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvaC2...9&feature=plcp

[brucereiter]

There's a concept we can debate. I've often heard that, but honestly it has usually been from people that had horrible stances and lower body strength. Having said that, I've seen good tai chi from people with low rooted stances and wonderful tai chi from higher stances. To me, lower is better as long as you can maintain the tai chi principlas. Going low and straining is counter-productive. But if you can maintain balance, root, fluidity, and relaxation, then go lower in your forms practice. Thoughts?

for conditioning purpose you are correct. go as low as you can and still maintain your "tai chi" movement.

for usage purpose height will depend on circumstance.

[brucereiter]

I think those are great comments and agree 100% that the principles shoul be maintained. Personally, I thInk it makes sense to go as low as possible while still being able to have relaxed breathing and smooth transition. Also to keep in mind how pushing hands is played.

all good things to keep in mind.

Typically the lower the stance the firmer the root.

often times yes but like any position it has strong pros/cons.

[sean_stonehart]

often times yes but like any position it has strong pros/cons.

Incredibly correct. Low doesn't always mean stable and/or rooted.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I think you are generalizing behavior. I believe violence, horrifically implemented, solves a lot of problems. Especially with liars and thieves

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

[sanjuro_ronin]

The lower the stance the lower the center of gravity.
The wider the stance, the wider the base.
How stable a stance is has to do with how it handles force being exerted upon it.
How "rooted" a stance is has to do with how "immobile" it is ( how it is able to not move from its current position).

[Old Noob]

There's a concept we can debate. I've often heard that, but honestly it has usually been from people that had horrible stances and lower body strength. Having said that, I've seen good tai chi from people with low rooted stances and wonderful tai chi from higher stances. To me, lower is better as long as you can maintain the tai chi principlas. Going low and straining is counter-productive. But if you can maintain balance, root, fluidity, and relaxation, then go lower in your forms practice. Thoughts?

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm 40 and have a knee issue that will ultimately put me in the same position you're in now with your hip. My doctor told me already I should stop doing low squats, 1-leg-squats, etc. When I asked for how long, he said, "for ever." My response has been to cut way back on the "knee hazing" (long time in horse stance, tons of 1 leg squats, etc.) but to continue to try to hit good stances in forms and take a ****-ton of motrin.

All that being said, I think stance mechanics are more important than stance depth. So, if your stance and rooting are correct higher but you can go lower at the expense of one of the other things, you should stay higher. At some point, the ability to get low matters. One example that come to mind is our standing back sweeps (like in sparring tech 6) where you sort of need to be finishing in a bow stance (with the sweeping leg being the back leg of the bow stance) but many beginners finish bent over because they can't get low enough to det good velocity/distance with the sweeping leg. Bending over on that sweep makes you super-prone to getting pulled down by the swept party.

I'm sure I'm being clear as mud but, hopefully, you all know what I mean.

[OldandUsed]

@Bruce, yes, I liked your movement with the Chen and Yang styles.

[Old Noob]

And clearly you don't have what it takes to understand these quotes.

You are right, it is easy to read a quote. I have a 300+ page PDF full of great quotes that I have collected. I read one I like, a copy and paste it to my quotes PDF. I'm not going to apologize for that. The fact that the quote went over your head speaks volumes. Just man up, son.

As far as me being able to think for myself, bitch please.

I have annihilated every dumb post you have made and you are too dumb to see it. How bout we ask the forum? Nutthuggers please refrain. Be honest and judge on intellect and not personal feelings.

Let's hear it? I have thick skin, rock on wit ya bad selves!!!

Don't you think that talking to KC or TTM over and over again and expecting that they'll come around, admit fault, and sing kumbaya with you might be approaching the message of the quote? Just askin.

[brucereiter]

All that being said, I think stance mechanics are more important than stance depth. So, if your stance and rooting are correct higher but you can go lower at the expense of one of the other things, you should stay higher. At some point, the ability to get low matters. One example that come to mind is our standing back sweeps (like in sparring tech 6) where you sort of need to be finishing in a bow stance (with the sweeping leg being the back leg of the bow stance) but many beginners finish bent over because they can't get low enough to det good velocity/distance with the sweeping leg. Bending over on that sweep makes you super-prone to getting pulled down by the swept party.

I'm sure I'm being clear as mud but, hopefully, you all know what I mean.

good information.

[brucereiter]

@Bruce, yes, I liked your movement with the Chen and Yang styles.

thank you.

[Lucas]

here is a demo video by a grandmaster of the chen taijiquan system, chen xiaowang

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkd2KvUoxuY