Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[hskwarrior]

[tattooedmonk]

Hahaha that's funny! Now you have my name on your back, now you my biatch!

[hskwarrior]

you vajay jay kinda looks like the face of a preying mantis! tattooed wannabe

Hahaha that's funny! Now you have my name on your back, now you my biatch!

yeah that way if i get jumped from behind they can fuk you up first. LOL. sucks to be you....

[tattooedmonk]

you vajay jay kinda looks like the face of a preying mantis! tattooed wannabe



yeah that way if i get jumped from behind they can fuk you up first. LOL. sucks to be you....

Weak..... You don't have any comebacks because all the c-u-m is in the back of your mouth!

[hskwarrior]

Weak..... You don't have any comebacks because all the c-u-m is in the back of your mouth!

yeah, ur're right. yer just so g-a-n-g-s-t-a ! eye lose.

[Kellen Bassette]

what? You didn't read what i wrote?

I said i have information originating from the chinese triads that was founded by the last 5 shaolin monks that survived the destruction of the temple that was burned down in the 1760's.

If there is info about a fujian shaolin temple from 1866, pls post it. And pls, don't post what you heard from shaolin do or sin the. That would be straight up ka ka.

Yes I did read what you wrote. And I quoted you. Here, again, is what you wrote

Originally Posted by hskwarrior View Post
i have triad information that mentions the location of the shaolin Temple that was burned down published in 1866.

Sin The also said the shaolin temple was burned down in or around the late 1800's. which one was that? the one on Gau Lin San in Fujian burned down in the 1760's. your monkey guy wasn't around then.

end quote.

Apparently, I missed the "published" part and read that as the temple burned down in 1866. Your post was pretty unclear and I was asking you, since you have the information, if this was the same temple that PRC has recently rebuilt and now promotes as the Southern Shaolin Temple, or a different one.

But since your always on the defensive you take every question as an attack on you or your system.

I have already told you I have no affiliation with Shaolin Do of Sin The, never have...what's up with that?

[hskwarrior]

Your post was pretty unclear and I was asking you, since you have the information, if this was the same temple that PRC has recently rebuilt and now promotes as the Southern Shaolin Temple, or a different one.

But since your always on the defensive you take every question as an attack on you or your system.

I have already told you I have no affiliation with Shaolin Do of Sin The, never have...what's up with that?

i've never been to the site they currently are exploring. However, it was on what was then or perhaps even now called Gau Lin San. there was a village at the bottom of the mountain.

although no one is 100% convinced about the location, the figures involved all go back to the same time period.

[Kellen Bassette]

i've never been to the site they currently are exploring. However, it was on what was then or perhaps even now called Gau Lin San. there was a village at the bottom of the mountain.

although no one is 100% convinced about the location, the figures involved all go back to the same time period.

Either way there will be a ton of money made off it...for better or worse...

[brucereiter]

Just show us a clip that demonstrates a well practiced and distinct unity of style that isn't obviously lifted from a video.

Seriously, they can't even do that. I guess it's easier to express false outrage over the lack of decorum for challenging them than to whip out a camera phone and film a quick workout.

There are several clips of my sd practice linked below.

I welcome your observations of my practice that I have shared on YouTube.
Some here have made blanket statements that I think are not accurate.

What you see in these videos is what I learned at the csc atlanta. I am no longer involved in the system for previously stated reasons but I do value much of what I learned from my teacher who happened to be a student of sin the.

It would be interesting to see a video of you (everyone in this discussion) practicing your martial art. Maybe you have some videos you could link of your own practice. Forms, applications, fighting etc???

[kwaichang]

History and Lineage of Choy Li Fut (Cai Li Fo)



Although known as a Southern system, Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 kung fu has its origins in both Northern and Southern China. The system's founder, Chan Heung 陳享, had three teachers, two from the South and one from the North. Choy Li Fut is one of the few kung fu styles that is strongly influenced by both Northern and Southern Chinese kung-fu, combining the long arm techniques of the South with the quick agile footwork that characterizes Northern China's martial arts.

Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 was founded in 1836 by Chan Heung 陳享, a well-known and highly-skilled martial artist of that period. Also known as Din Ying 典英 and Daht Ting 逹庭, Chan Heung was born on August 23, 1806 (7 moon 10th day of 1806 of the lunar calendar), in King Mui 京梅 (Jing Mei), a village in the San Woi 新會 (Xin Hui) district of Guangdong 廣東 province. His martial arts career began at age seven, when he went to live with his uncle, Chan Yuen-Woo 陳遠護. Yuen-Woo was a famous boxer from the legendary Shaolin temple in Fujian 褔建, China. From Chan Yuen-Woo, Chan Heung learned the art of Southern Shaolin kung-fu, and became so proficient at it that by age fifteen he could defeat any challenger from nearby villages. By the time he reached his seventeenth year, Chan Heung was ready to assimilate more martial skills. So Chan Yuen-Woo took him to Li Yau-San 李友山, Yuen Woo's senior classmate from the Southern Shaolin temple. Chan Heung spent the next four years perfecting his kung-fu under Li Yau-San's careful eye.

It was apparent to Li Yau-San 李友山 that after only four years of training, Chan Heung was again ready to move on to higher levels. In ten years, he had already reached a level in kung-fu that had taken Chan Yuen-Woo and Li Yau-San twenty years to attain. Li Yau-San suggested a Shaolin monk who lived as a recluse on Lau Fu 羅浮山 mountain as the best teacher for Chan Heung. The only problem was that the monk, Choy Fook 蔡褔, no longer wished to teach martial arts. He wanted only to be left alone to cultivate Buddhism. Realizing that reaching his highest potential in kung fu meant finding the monk and becoming his disciple, Chan Heung set out on the long trek to Lau Fu mountain.

Choy Fook was a Buddhist monk whose head had been seriously burned when he took his Buddhist vows and had healed with ugly scars. This gave him the nickname "Monk with the Wounded Head 爛頭和尙 ." Armed with that knowledge, Chan Heung sought out anyone on Lau Fu mountain who could help him find Choy Fook 蔡褔. Finally, he located the monk, and handed him a letter of recommendation from Li Yau-San 李友山. After waiting patiently to be accepted as Choy Fook's disciple, he was stunned when Choy Fook turned him down. After much begging from Chan Heung, Choy Fook agreed to take the young man as a student—but only to study Buddhism. So, Chan Heung studied Buddhism for many hours a day with the monk of the scarred head, and practiced his martial arts by himself, far into the night.

Early one morning, Chan Heung 陳享 was practicing his kung fu, sweeping both legs across heavy bamboo bush and kicking up stones, then smashing them to pieces before they hit the ground. Suddenly, the monk appeared and asked him if that were the best he could do. Chan Heung was shocked when Choy Fook 蔡褔 pointed to a large rock weighing more than thirty kilograms and told him to kick it twelve feet. Bracing himself, Chan Heung exerted all of his strength as his foot crashed against the rock, sending it barely twelve feet away. Instead of giving the expected compliment, Choy Fook placed his own foot under the heavy rock and effortlessly propelled it through the air. Chan Heung was awestruck by this demonstration of "superpower." Again he begged Choy Fook to take him as a martial arts disciple. This time the monk agreed, and for eight years Choy Fook taught Chan Heung both the way of Buddhism and the way of martial arts.

When he was twenty-nine, Chan Heung 陳享 left the monk and went back to King Mui village, where he spent the next two years revising and refining all that he had learned from Choy Fook. Chan Heung had now developed a new system of kung fu. In 1836 he formally established the Choy Li Fut system, naming it in honor of two of his teachers, Choy Fook 蔡褔 and Li Yau-San 李友山, and used the word Fut 佛, which means "Buddha" in Chinese, to pay homage to his uncle, Chan Yuen Woo 陳遠護, and to the Shaolin roots of the new system. Chan Heung set up a martial arts school in the local family temple of his village to teach the new system. As his reputation spread, hundreds of people from nearby villages came to learn Choy Li Fut. Shortly after Chang Heung established his new school, the Opium Wars broke out in China. Like many other loyal Chinese, Chan Heung joined the army in Canton to fight against the British invaders. Following China's defeat in 1842, he returned home to his family.

Political corruption from within the Manchurian-controlled Ching dynasty 清朝 had contributed to China's defeat. Between 1847 and 1850 many Chinese leaders formed secret societies to combat the evil forces of the Ching. Under the leadership of Hong Xiu-Quan 洪秀全, the Triad Rebellion broke out against the Imperial forces in Guangxi 廣西. Hong's rebels defeated the government troops in 1850 and for the next two decades the Tai Ping Tian Guo 太平天國 kingdom ruled China. During the rebellion, Chan Heung's followers urged him to join in the revolt. However, he was a devout Buddhist and shunned the path of violence. Nevertheless, he continued to train his followers in case the need arose to do battle against the corrupt Ching rulers.

When the Imperial army sought to recruit men from his area to fight against the rebel forces, Chan Heung 陳享 left his home in King Mui with his wife and two children. Finally forced by the needless fighting and destruction to participate actively, he set up many Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 schools in Southern China to spread revolutionary ideas against the Manchurians. He gave his followers a special signal for future battlefield reunions: Whoever belonged to the Choy Li Fut system would cry out "Wak" when thrusting with a tiger claw hand, "Dik" when kicking, "Yak'' when striking with his fist or palm, "Ha" when striking with tsop chui and tsang jeung, and "Hok" for the crane beak strikes. These are the original five sounds of Choy Li Fut.

[kwaichang]

When the Tai Ping Tian Guo 太平天國 succumbed in 1864, Chan Heung 陳享 left China. At age fifty-nine he became the martial arts teacher for the Chan Family Association overseas. He stayed abroad four years, and then returned home to King Mui, where he was able to see his own kung fu system gain tremendous popularity throughout Southern China. On the lunar calendar 8th moon 20, 1875, at the age of sixty-nine, Chan Heung died. He was buried in his beloved village of King Mui. But his memory lives on, perpetuated in the kung-fu system that he established.

After Chan Heung's death, his Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 legacy passed on to his two sons, Chan On-Pak 陳安伯 and Chan Koon-Pak 陳官伯. Chan On-Pak, born in 1845 and the older of the two brothers, looked like and had the gentle nature of a scholar. His specialty was the spear. Chan On-Pak's control of the spear was so advanced that he gained the nickname yet "Cheung Ng Mui Fa" 一槍五梅花 or "Five Blossoms with One Lance." In 1894, two of Chan On-Pak's students, Cheng Si-Leung 鄭士良 and Chan Siu-Bak 陳少白, helped the revolutionary forces of Dr. Sun Yat-Sin 孫逸仙 fight against the Ching dynasty and lay the foundation of the Republic of China.

The younger son, Chan Koon Pak, left King Mui to become a merchant in Kong Moon 江門市(Jiangmen) City, where his fame as a martial artist spread quickly. He soon had no time to spend as a merchant and devoted all of his efforts teaching Choy Li Fut. Chan Koon Pak later established a large Choy Li Fut training center in Guangzhou 廣州.

Chan Heung had eighteen original Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 disciples, known as the eighteen Lohan 十八羅漢. In 1848, the original eighteen started branching out to teach Choy Li Fut throughout Southern China. The first disciple to teach Choy Li Fut outside of King Mui was Lung Ji-Choi 龍子才, who opened a kung fu school in the town of Xunzhou 潯州 in Guangxi 廣西 province. Soon after, Chan Din-Foon 陳典桓 initiated the first Hung Sing Choy Li Fut school in Fut San 佛山 (Foshan). Other of the original eighteen disciples who promoted the new kung fu system were: Chan Din-Yao 陳典尤 in Nan Hai 南海; Chan Dai-Yup 陳大揖 in Guangzhou 廣州; Chan Din-Sing 陳典承 in Zhongshan 中山; Chan Mau-Jong 陳謀莊 in Panyu 番禺; Chan Din-Bong 陳典邦 in Dong Guan 東莞; Chan Din-Wai 陳典惠 in Kaiping 開平; Chan Din-Jen 陳典珍 in Taishan 台山; Chan Sun-Dong 陳孫棟 in Enping 恩平; Chan Din-Dak 陳典德 at Heshan 鶴山; Chan Dai-Wai 陳大威 in Zhaoqing 肇慶; Chan Sing-Hin 陳承顯 in Xinhuicheng 新會城; Chan Yin-Yu 陳燕瑜at Jiangmen 江門. And admirable tasks were performed by Chan Dai-Sing 陳大成, Chan Din-Seng 陳典勝, Chan Mau-Wing 陳謀榮 , and Chan Din-Gung 陳典拱, who taught Choy Li Fut in twenty-six villages in the King Mui 京梅 area.

In 1867, Chan Heung 陳享 sent one of his next batch of student, Jeong Yim 張炎 to Fut San 佛山 (Foshan) to take over the school originally established by Chan Din-Foon 陳典桓 in 1848. Eventually, Jeong Yim became known as the "father of the Hung Sing School of Choy Li Fut" in Fut San.

It is generally thought that there are two schools of Choy Li Fut: hung sing 洪勝 and bak sing 北勝, and that there are two representatives of the hung sing school. During the revolution of the mid-1800s, the Hung Moon 洪門 Party represented all revolutionary factions, including Choy Li Fut representatives. Choy Li Fut schools had a secret slogan during these times: "Hung 洪 Ying 英 Ji 至 Sing 聖 ; Ying英 Hung 雄 Wing 永 Sing 勝. " This translates as: "Heroes of the Hung Party are superior; Heroes always win." Chan Heung's followers adopted two words of the motto as their secret passwords “Hung Sing 洪勝” which meant "Hung Party wins." But, because that was too close to the outlawed Hung Moon Party name, they changed it to another slogan which sounds the same as Hung Sing 鴻勝, but means "goose winning."

Meanwhile, the Fut San Choy Li Fut School of Jeong Yim 張炎 bore the name "Hung Sing Kwoon 鴻勝舘" (using the "Hung" that means goose). Some of his students began referring to him as Jeong Hung Sing 張鴻勝. By the time his school had developed a third generation of students, the true meaning of "Hung Sing" had been lost, and his third generation students believed him to be the founder of a type of Choy Li Fut known as Hung Sing Choy Li Fut. To clarify the issue, Chan Heung's son, Koon-Pak 官伯, changed the name Hung 鴻 Sing to a different Hung 雄 meaning "strong." From that time on, Choy Li Fut schools in Koon Pak's King Mui area designated themselves with the slogan Hung Sing 雄勝, meaning "Strong Winning," while the Fut San schools kept their "goose winning" Hung Sing 鴻勝 motto. Hence, the belief that there are two Hung Sing Choy Li Fut schools.

The Bak Sing 北勝 branch of Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 can be traced back to Jeong Yim 張炎 in Fut San. Jeong Yim had three principal students. One of them was Lui Chaun 雷粲, who had a student named Tam Sam 譚三. Tam Sam had a Choy Li Fut school in Guangzhou, in a district called Siu Bak 小北 (which translates as "little north"). His school bore the name Siu Bak Hung Sing Choy Li Fut Club. That name was too long to be spoken comfortably, so it was changed to Bak Sing Choy Li Fut to pay respects to their teacher, Tam Sam’s students referred to themselves as the Bak Sing branch of Choy Li Fut.

The most famous student and also the successor of Jeong Yim 張炎 was Chan Ngau-Sing 陳牛盛. Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong 黄德輝’s second teacher, Dr. Hu Yuen Chou (Woo Van Cheuk) 胡雲綽 studied from him from the age of nine in Fut San Hung Sing School’s headquarters. Lau Bun 劉彬 was Grandmaster Wong’s first Choy Li Fut teacher; he learned his kung fu from Yuen Hai 阮系, one of the three principal students of Jeong Yim 張炎. The heritage of these two famous teachers of our Grandmaster who handed down the powerful fighting art to us is called the Fut San 佛山 lineage because it is from the Hung Sing School of Fut San city, Guangdong 廣東 province.

Dr. Hu Yuen-Chou’s second Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 teacher was Chan Yiu-Chi 陳耀墀, the grandson of the founder. Dr. Hu spent 20 years of his training time with Chan Yiu-Chi and became one of the four major pillar instructors of the school who had gained the name the “Four Great Heavenly Kings 四大天王” of Choy Li Fut in Guangzhou. Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong 黄德輝 is the successor of Dr. Hu Yuen Chou (Woo Van Cheuk) 胡雲綽. From this lineage we got the name King Mui 京梅, because the founder’s family came from the King Mui village.

Grandmaster Doc-Fai Wong’s third teacher in Choy Li Fut 蔡李佛 was Wong Gong 黄江. Wong Gong’s two teachers were Chan Cheong-Mo 陳長毛 and Chan Yan 陳恩; they were the students of Choy Li Fut founder’s elderly son, Chan On-Pak 陳安伯. From this lineage, we received most of the internal forms and animal forms that were handed down from Chan On-Pak. Great-grandmaster Wong Gong named his lineage Kong Chow 岡州 (Gangzhou) because in the old days, the district of Choy Li Fut’s hometown was called Kong Chow before the Republic of China. Now Jiangmen is the name of the city, therefore the lineage name has been changed to The Jiangmen branch or lineage

[brucereiter]

All I've seen on SD clips are flower dancers and LARPers. Show me. Just one. Everyone else has shown good clips of other styles the practice, but none for SD. Hmmm, wonder why?

I'm not even asking anyone to put themselves out there, just show me a clip of ANYONE from SD doing something powerful. Holding your foot in the air does not a fighter make!

See my videos linked below. Do you consider my practice "flower dancing" or "larping"?

You may have posted your practice in the past but i have not sceen it. can you post a link to share some of your practice?

[kwaichang]

The monk warriors used their special talents, eventually helped the local Tang soldiers to surpress the riot successfully, but quite a mumber of them died in the battle. When they were about to return to Songshan Shaolin Temple, the local people asked them for continuous protection. For the bury of the dead monks and the people's wish, Dao Guang and his warrior monks got the master's permission from Songshan Shaolin Temple and settled down in Linquan Complex in Putian. Simliar to Shaolin Temple, Linquan Complex was buit to be a southern branch, and then it was called Southern Shaolin Temple. By the Song Dynasty, the Southern Shaolin Temple became a center for the spread of Chan Buddhist philosophy and martial arts.

The Southern Shaolin temple was burned down once during the regime of Kangxi Emperor in the Qing Dynasty. The temple was a base for the movement of Ming restoration against the Manchu rulers at that time. Now the Southern Shaolin Temple you see was rebuit later.

I wouldnt believe a Tong Member they atre Chinese Mafia. KC

[hskwarrior]

THE FUT SAN HUNG SING KWOON WAS FOUNDED IN 1851 BY JEUNG HUNG SING (JEUNG AH YIM), A NATIVE OF SUN WUI COUNTY'S DONG LING VILLAGE. HE WAS AN ORPHAN WHO ENDURED A LIFETIME OF STRUGGLE AND MOVED ON TO BECOME ONE OF SOUTHERN CHINA'S GREATEST FIGHTERS. THE LEGACY HE STARTED SO LONG AGO IS STILL FLOURISHING IN MANY COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD TODAY.

IN 1824 DURING THE QING DYNASTY, JEUNG AH YIM WAS BORN IN THE DONG LING VILLAGE AND UNDER THE CARE OF HIS UNCLE NAME JEUNG KWAN. HIS PARENTS ARE RUMORED TO HAVE BEEN KILLED WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG. AND, HE ALSO TRAINED IN THE ART OF LEE GAR PRIOR TO TURNING 12 YEARS OLD UNDER LEE YAU SAN, THE FOUNDER OF LEE GAR WHO WAS TEACHING IN THE SUN WUI AREA AT THE TIME.

IN 1836 JEUNG KWAN HAD TO LEAVE DONG LING VILLAGE ON BUSINESS AND WAS UNSURE IF HE WOULD RETURN. HE COULDN'T TAKE JEUNG YIM WITH HIM AND NEEDED TO FIND SOMEONE HE CAN TRUST TO LOOK AFTER HIS NEPHEW. THE ONLY PERSON HE COULD THINK OF WAS IN THE CHAN VILLAGE OF KING MUI. SO, WHEN THE TIME CAME TOGETHER JEUNG KWAN AND JEUNG YIM TRAVELED TO KING MUI TO MEET WITH HIS OLD FRIEND. UNCERTAIN OF THE OUTCOME ALL HE COULD DO WAS HOPE FOR THE BEST.

ONCE THEY ARRIVED IN KING MUI JEUNG KWAN MET WITH HIS OLD FRIEND CHAN HEUNG, WHO, WAS THE FOUNDER OF A NEWLY CREATED MARTIAL ARTS SYSTEM CALLED CHOY LEE FUT THAT SAME YEAR (1836). UNFORTUNATELY, AFTER JEUNG KWAN EXPLAINED HIS SITUATION CHAN HEUNG WAS FORCED TO REFUSE HELP TO HIS OLD FRIEND BECAUSE OF VILLAGE RULES. THEREFOR, ONLY THOSE WITH THE CHAN SURNAME WERE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN THE VILLAGE.

JEUNG KWAN PLEADED WITH CHAN HEUNG TO CHANGE HIS MIND. AFTER GIVING SOME THOUGHT TO IT, CHAN HEUNG DEVISED A PLAN TO TAKE THE YOUNG JEUNG YIM IN AS A GROUNDS KEEPER/HANDY MAN. HOWEVER, THERE WAS ONE CONDITION, JEUNG YIM WASN'T ALLOWED TO LEARN THE CHOY LEE FUT SYSTEM BECAUSE HE WASN'T A FAMILY MEMBER. JEUNG KWAN WAS PLEASE WITH THE ARRANGEMENT, THANKED CHAN HEUNG AND WAS ON HIS WAY.

CHAN HEUNG WAS UNAWARE OF JEUNG YIM'S MARTIAL ARTS BACKGROUND AND HAD NO IDEA HE POSSESSED A STRONG PASSION FOR LEARNING GUNG FU. NEITHER DID HE KNOW THAT WHILE JEUNG YIM WAS DOING HIS DAILY CHORES HE WAS SECRETLY WATCHING HIM TEACH CHOY LEE FUT TO HIS STUDENTS. lATE AT NIGHT WHILE EVERYONE SLEPT, JEUNG YIM WOULD PRACTICE HIS STOLEN GUNG FU, PERFECTING IT UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS. THEN ONE NIGHT WHILE JEUNG YIM WAS BUSY PRACTICING HE FAILED TO NOTICE CHAN HEUNG WATCHING HIM IN THE SHADOWS. BUT INSTEAD OF BEING UPSET, HE WAS GREATLY IMPRESSED THAT THIS YOUNG MAN COULD EXCEL SO QUICKLY WITHOUT PROPER TEACHING.

CHAN HEUNG STEPPED OUT INTO THE LIGHT AND CONFRONTED JEUNG YIM. EMBARASSED THAT HE WAS CAUGHT IN THE ACT, JEUNG YIM ADMITTED TO MEMORIZING THE CHOY LEE FUT TECHNIQUES WHILE HE DID HIS CHORES. HE KNEW THE ONLY TIME HE'D GET TO PRACTICE WAS WHILE EVERYONE WAS ASLEEP. AMAZINGLY, INSTEAD OF REPRIMANDING JEUNG YIM, CHAN HEUNG CHOSE TO PERSONALLY TAKE HIM UNDER HIS WING AND CONTINUE TRAINING HIM DURING THE MIDNIGHT HOURS. ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS KEEP THEIR TRAINING A SECRET FROM THE OTHERS.

FOR THE NEXT 5 YEARS (1836-1841) JEUNG YIM WAS WORKING HARD AT MASTERING THE BASICS OF CHOY LEE FUT (CONTINUALLY EVOLVING SINCE IT WAS A NEW FIGHTING SYSTEM). HE WAS 17 YEARS OLD AND HIGHLY SKILLED IN GUNG FU WHICH GAVE HIM ALOT OF PRIDE. HOWEVER, AS BEING THE OUTSIDER IN THE CHAN VILLAGE, HE WAS CONSTANTLY PICKED ON BY SOME OF CHAN HEUNG'S STUDENTS. ONE AFTERNOON WHILE CHAN HEUNG WAS OUT ON SOME BUSINESS THOSE STUDENTS FINALLY PUSHED THE RIGHT BUTTON AND FORCED JEUNG YIM TO EXPOSE HIS TRAINING BY DEFENDING HIMSELF AND INJURING A FEW OF THE STUDENTS IN THE FIGHT. AFTERWARDS, THOSE STUDENTS RAN AND TOLD THEIR PARENTS WHO THEN COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM TO CHAN HEUNG FOR LETTING THE OUTSIDER LIVE IN THEIR VILLAGE.

CHAN HEUNG HAD NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO ASK JEUNG YIM TO LEAVE KING MUI. BUT, BEFORE HE DID HE INSTRUCTED JEUNG YIM THAT IF HE WANTED TO COMPLETE HIS GUNG FU TRAINING HE SHOULD GO TO THE GUANGXI PROVINCE WHERE AN EX SHAOLIN MONK WITH THE NAME CHING CHO (GREEN GRASS) COULD BE FOUND AT PAK PAI MOUNTAIN. THE NAME OF THIS MOUNTAIN DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, BUT IT IS EXTREMELY POSSIBLE THAT ITS NAME WAS CHANGED. IN CHINA'S HISTORY, MANY DIFFERENT MOUNTAINS OF TODAY WERE KNOWN BY ANOTHER NAME IN THE OLD DAYS. THE PAK PAI MOUNTAINS ALSO EXISTED IN THE HISTORIES IN OTHER STYLES SUCH AS HUNG FUT.

IN 1841, THE 17 YEAR OLD JEUNG YIM SAID HIS GOODBYES TO HIS TEACHER AND WOULD NOT SEE HIM AGAIN FROM ALMOST 30 YEARS LATER. HE TRAVELED TO GUANGXI WHERE HE CAME ACROSS AN ELDERLY GENTLEMAN AND ASKED IF HE KNEW THE WHEREABOUTS OF A MONK BY THE NAME OF CHING CHO. THE OLD MAN ANSWERED HIM AND SAID HE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A PERSON. BUT WHAT JEUNG YIM DIDN'T KNOW WAS THAT THIS OLD MAN WAS INDEED MONK CHING CHO. AND THE OLD MONK WASN'T JUST GOING TO OPENLY REVEAL HIMSELF.

*THE GREEN GRASS MONK IS BEING ERRONEOUSLY IDENTIFIED WITH CHAN HEUNG'S TEACHER MONK CHOY FOOK. THIS IDEA IS TO BE THROWN OUT OF YOUR MIND BECAUSE IT WAS OUTRIGHT THEFT OF CHARACTER. HE IS NOT NOR WILL HE EVER BE MONK CHOY FOOK.-DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.

THE GREEN GRASS MONK WAS ONE OF SOUTHERN CHINA'S MOST WANTED REVOLUTIONARIES DURING THE QING DYNASTY. HE WAS THE FOUNDER OF WHAT WAS ONCE THE MOST POWERFUL TONG IN ALL OF SOUTHERN CHINA AND CO-FOUNDED A SECRET SOCIETY. FOR SAFETY REASONS, THE GREEN GRASS MONK HAD TO KEEP HIS IDENTITY A SECRET UNTIL HE KNEW JEUNG YIM WASN'T A GOVERNMENT ASSASSIN. BUT HE WAS CURIOUS TO SEE JEUNG YIM'S GUNG FU AND ASKED FOR A SIMPLE DEMONSTRATION.

JEUNG YIM WAS PROUD OF HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN GUNG FU SO FAR AND SHOWED OFF A LITTLE FOR THE OLD MAN. THE GREEN GRASS MONK RECOGNIZED HIS GUNG FU AS BEING AUTHENTIC SHAOLIN AND IMMEDIATELY REVEALED HIS TRUE IDENTITY TO JEUNG YIM. IT WAS THAT POINT THAT MONK CHING CHO ACCEPTED HIM AS A STUDENT AND BEGAN TEACHING HIM THE ART OF FUT GAR KUEN. ALTHOUGH, GUNG FU WASN'T THE ONLY THING JEUNG YIM WAS ABOUT TO LEARN FROM THE GREEN GRASS MONK.

IN 1849, JEUNG YIM COMPLETED HIS GUNG FU TRAINING UNDER THE GREEN GRASS MONK. IN ADDITION TO THIS, THE MONK ALSO PERSONALLY GROOMED HIM TO FIGHT FOR THE REVOLUTION. THE GREEN GRASS MONK INSTRUCTED JEUNG YIM TO GO TO THE CITY OF FUT SAN WHERE THE ENTIRE CITY WAS PREPARING FOR THE TAI PING REBELLION. HE WAS TO CONTACT THE LEADERS OF THE SECRET SOCIETY THERE AND OFFER TO TRAIN FREEDOM FIGHTERS IN THE ART OF FUT GAR KUEN. HOWEVER, PRIOR TO JEUNG YIM'S DEPARTURE, THE GREEN GRASS MONK HAD ONE MORE THING HE WANTED TO PASS ON TO HIS STUDENT.

THE GREEN GRASS MONK KNEW THAT THIS COULD BE THE LAST TIME HE SAW JEUNG YIM AND WANTED TO GIVE HIM SOMETHING AS A REMINDER OF HIM AND HIS CAUSE. HE WANTED TO CHANGE HIS NAME FROM "YIM" TO "HUNG SING" BECAUSE THIS NAME CONTAINED A SECRET MESSAGE. THE MESSAGE WAS "THE HUNG SOCIETY WOULD BE VICTORIOUS IN OVERTHROWING THE QING DYNASTY" AND "HUNG SING" WAS THE ABREVIATED VERSION OF THIS MESSAGE. THEREBY GIVING THIS NAME TO JEUNG YIM, THE MESSAGE WOULD LIVE ON AS LONG AS JEUNG YIM WAS ALIVE. IT WAS NOT A SECRET SLOGAN USED BY THE KING MUI CHOY LEE FUT STUDENTS AS SOME TRY TO PASS OVER AS THE TRUTH.

THE ORIGIN OF THE HUNG SING NAME GIVEN TO JEUNG YIM BY MONK CHING CHO BELONGS TO THE HUNG MUN AND PRIOR TO JEUNG YIM IT HAD NO CONNECTION TO CHOY LEE FUT GUNG FU AT ALL.

THE NEWLY NAMED JEUNG HUNG SING SAID HIS GOODBYES AND MADE HIS WAY TO THE CITY OF FUT SAN, A MAJOR HUB FOR HARD CORE REVOLUTIONARIES AND GUNG FU STYLES SUCH AS WING CHUN AND HUNG GAR KUEN. HIS HUNG SING NAME SORT OF WORKED AS A PASS KEY FOR THE LEADERS OF THE SECRETY SOCIETY IN FUT SAN. ONCE HE MADE CONTACT WITH THEM, THE NEXT THING HE HAD TO DO WAS MEET WITH FUT SAN'S MARTIAL TOP DAWG, WHO, HAPPENED TO BE LEUNG JAN, IP MAN'S SIGUNG (GRAND MASTER). AFTER AN UNFORTUNATE SITUATION WITH LEUNG JAN'S STUDENT, LEUNG JAN HIMSELF CHALLENGED JEUNG HUNG SING TO A CLOSED DOOR STAFF DUEL. NEEDLESS TO SAY, IN THE OUTCOME JEUNG HUNG SING WAS GIVEN PERMISSION TO OPEN HIS SCHOOL AND THE TWO OF THEM EVENTUALLY BECAME GREAT FRIENDS.

IN THE PAST, PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO CLAIM THAT JEUNG HUNG SING WAS SENT TO FUT SAN BY CHAN HEUNG. SADLY, THIS IS COMPLETELY INCORRECT. JEUNG HUNG SING HAD BEEN OUT OF THE CHOY LEE FUT PICTURE FROM 1841-1867 ( 26 YEARS).

BETWEEN 1849-1851 HE EXCLUSIVELY TAUGHT FREEDOM FIGHTERS PREPARING FOR THE UP AND COMING REVOLUTION. THEN IN PERFECT TIMING WITH THE LAUNCHING OF THE TAI PING REBELLION (1851) JEUNG HUNG SING OFFICIALLY ESTABLISHED HIS HUNG SING KWOON.

THE FUT SAN HUNG SING KWOON WAS ON THE FRONT LINES OF THE REVOLUTION AND CONSTANTLY MAKING THE NEWS. ALTHOUGH MANY YEARS HAD PASSED SINCE THE LAST TIME SINCE CHAN HEUNG SAW JEUNG HUNG SING, WORD OF HIS ACHIEVEMENTS MADE IT ALL THE BACK TO KING MUI. STILL, THE REVOLUTION WASN'T THE ONLY THING JEUNG HUNG SING WAS INVOLVED IN. HE WAS BUSY DEVELOPING HIS OWN FIGHTING SYSTEM WHICH WAS PRIMARILY FUT GAR KUEN BASED MIXED WITH THE BASICS OF CHOY LEE FUT HE PICKED UP FROM CHAN HEUNG. BUT ALL THE WHILE SINCE JEUNG HUNG SING HAS BEEN OF THE PICTURE, CHAN HEUNG CONTINUED TO DEVELOP HIS CHOY LEE FUT MINUS THE PRESENCE OF JEUNG HUNG SING .

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It's widely believed within the fut san hung sing and buk sing kwoons that the original name of jeung hung sing's art was called "fut gar jing jung" ("佛家正宗" ) and often referred to as hung sing kuen meaning jeung yim's style, or even "the method of hung sing." still, at this time he was representing the green grass monk moreso than chan heung because he never completed his choy lee fut training but he did finish the fut gar kuen style.

Five years of dedicated training to any system is no small feat. In fact in that time jeung hung sing could have easily mastered choy lee fut basics as its alleged that he would teach chan heung's choy lee fut as they traveled around spreading chan heung's art.

Regardless, from 1851-1864 jeung hung sing was busy taking on all challengers interested in making a name for themselves and fighting in the revolution. He never lost a match until he reached his 60's and only lost one by a single stroke. Most of his challengers wound up becoming his students while others turned to the police out of jealousy to inform on their revolutionary activities. During this time the qing government closed the hung sing kwoon down on numerous occasions and jeung hung sing and his students had to flee the city to avoid having their heads cut off. Instant beheading was the penalty for anyone caught in association with the outlawed hung society.

In 1864 the fut san hung sing kwoon was closed down once again by the qing government. Jeung hung sing and his students fled fut san and headed for hong kong, a safe haven for revolutionaries. It as there that jeung hung sing and chan heung finally reunited after 26 years. Records from both of the fut san and king mui lineages show the two were in hong kong at the same time. They spent the next three years together catching up and evolving the choy lee fut system to the next level.

During the time jeung hung sing and chan heung spent together, chan heung admitted to knowing of jeung hung sing's achievements. In return, jeung hung sing thanked chan heung and admitted if it weren't for his help he would never have made it.

Chan heung was interested in seeing jeung hung sing's progress for himself and asked to see what he learned from the green grass monk. Afterwards, chan heung was interested in including some new techniques from the fut gar system into his choy lee fut. So, they closely worked together as brothers to take choy lee fut to the next stage of its development. Not only did they work on new techniques, they also developed secret call signs such as yik wah and tik. Since chan heung's students and jeung hung sing's students didn't know each other, they used the tiger claw as a secret signal to identify themselves as brothers of choy lee fut.

Many in the choy lee fut fraternity are aware of the use of the tiger claw to identify themeselves. They're equally unaware to why the tiger claw was specifically chosen. The reason behind their choice is the fact that the tiger claw is the secret hand signal used to identify the green grass monk within the secret society.

Jeung hung sing's contributions to the choy lee fut system made him in effect a co-founder as he was responisible for the further development of the system. In 1867, it's believed that an agreement was made that both jeung hung sing and chan heung would return to their respective schools and develop the choy lee fut system separately from one another. After this, chan heung left hong kong for king mui and jeung hung sing returned to fut san to re-open his hung sing kwoon.

First, jeung hung sing was going to have to change the name of his school if he wanted to re-open it or it will just bring on more unwanted attention. Perhaps during their reunion, chan heung suggested he used a different hung character instead of the old one. The fact was, he needed to change the name no matter what. He couldn't afford to keep closing down so he chose a name that was different visually and in definition, but had the same pronunciation.

The one thing he did was keep the sing (victory) in his name as it was connected to the secret society. But the new hung sing literally translated as great wild goose victory. This name was ambiguous and contained no obvious signs of being connected to the hung society, at least to the untrained eye. Little did the government know, jeung hung sing chose this name precisely for its connection to the hung society. The key is knowing what to look for because there is more to the new character than meets the eye.

In 1867 jeung hung sing returned to fut san to re-open his hung sing kwoon. After renaming it using the new character, the qing authorities were satisfied and everything went on as business as usual. The hung sing kwoon was gaining alot of popularity and eventually his fighting system began to eclipse many of the other schools in fut san. Since hung sing kuen (hung sing choy lee fut) was designed for pure combat, it was important that his skills stayed sharp so he accepted all challengers.

In 1883 jeung hung sing learned of a young fighter by the name of chan ngau sing and wanted him to become his student. He sent yuen hai, one of his most senior and loyal of students to go an convince chan ngau sing to join the hung sing kwoon. It wasn't an easy task. Chan ngau sing knew he could fight and since jeung hung sing was considered an older person chan ngau sing felt he could defeat him easily. Jow gum biu, his hung gar sifu felt it was a good idea to train with such a well known master as jeung hung sing and encouraged him to go.

Chan ngau sing eventually agreed to pay a visit to jeung hung sing and see what he had to offer. Upon arriving at the hung sing kwoon chan ngau sing spoke with jeung hung sing for a while before the subject of who would win in a fight. Of course chan ngau sing naturally thought he would win. However, in an attempt to prove it to him prior to the fight, jeung hung sing explained to him that first he would drop him towards the left, then the right and finally down the middle. Once the match started jeung hung sing held up to his word and did exactly what he said he'd do.

After the match with jeung hung sing, chan ngau bowed down and asked to be taken as a student. Without question jeung hung sing accepted and the rest is history. Jeung hung sing really liked chan ngau sing and for the next ten years trained him very hard in hung sing kuen. It was obvious he was being groomed to possibly take over the hung sing kwoon. In return, chan ngau sing remained a loyal disciple until the end.

Even in his old age, jeung hung sing was competing with many challengers. He allegedly never lost a fight until somewhere between the mid 1880's and the mid 1890's, and this was by one stroke, or point. The loss didn't bother jeung hung sing as much as it did chan ngau sing who went and tracked that master down.

The idea of his teacher losing by one point was just too much for chan ngau sing to handle. He challenged the master who beat jeung hung sing and ended up killing him in the match. Then, in 1893 jeung hung sing fell ill at the age of 69 and chan ngau sing tried to take him to see a doctor. Sadly, jeung hung sing passed away leaving behind a wife and two sons who died early on in their own lives.

With tam sam's teacher (lui chun) in guangzhou and master yuen hai (lau bun's teacher) in hong kong, chan ngau sing took over the fut san hung sing kwoon as its first successor. Today, there are hung sing kwoons on virtually every continent around the world.