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The Progressive Boxer
I think it's Mas Judt's commentary on how arts brought over to Indonesia take on a very Indonesian flair. I think he said it's probable that SD came from China and then got shoved in to a blender while it was in Indonesia and it transformed in to kun tao.Originally Posted by Empty_Cup
Daper Dan Man
I've had some conversations with Mas Judt about this. It's my persepctive that Indonesian arts tend to be very pragmatic which don't make for the prettiest forms. The origins may be in large part CMA, but that flovor is largely lost in the process so even forms that are identifiably CMA don't really look like CMA that was filtered through China, Tai Wan, Hong Kong etc. Complicating that is the idea that some forms may have been learned through books, videos or notes.
The old timers tell me that forms work was a very small percentage of the SD that they first learned. Most of the focus was on the sparring and the conditioning. I've never seen Sin The spar, but I know people in SD that can fight with the best of the other TMA students and teachers that I've trained with, so I will not criticize the ability of someone to learn how to apply the art.
It seems that there was a forms explosion in the mid 1980s. It was at that time that more branches of SD were taking off in other parts of the country and it was right after the sports center went under. Hallady's book came out as well as the inside kung fu article (where the infamous list of material linked to various temples was listed). Where all of these forms came from is a matter of speculation, but the focus certainly shifted from fighting and conditioning to forms, forms, forms. I was lucky to have a teacher that stuck with the basic material and we sparred and conditioned most of the time, but I was always surprised when I visited other schools at how lower belts were working on forms that I had never seen or heard of.
As far as the material in Indonesian video, there was Buddha Fist, 8 directional Dao, 5 Directional Palm, and a few that I had not seen that still had a distinct SD flavor to it.
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JP, I have to agree with what you have posted. I first went to SD in 1970. At the time I was a high school wrestler that wascoming in for freshman year of college and wanted something to work on my conditioning while I was waiting on wrestling season to start up. Stayed with it until 2005. Have seen both GMT and HKT spar, and in the 70's, that was something to see. It has changed over the years, but we always called it karate, never kungfu.
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I would be interested to see a person from "traditional" style take one of the SD forms and perform it with what they believe to be proper flow and body mechanics.
Not from the stand point of "If you think you can do it better go for it" , so don't take it that way, but more of a way to have a proper comparison.
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The Progressive Boxer
Shaolin Wookie, while he isn't traditionally trained, performs his forms like a TCMA guy would. I think in his signature is a link to his youtube account.
Daper Dan Man
He does, but I think his teachers really try to emphasize a CMA flavor to their forms more so than the Kentucky SD elders or even Master Garry Mullins (one of my main teachers in SD). There are some videos of Master Garry doing a ground dragon form (which was one of the Indonesian forms performed in 1992). It's an odd form and I think a traditional form from the Indonesian schoool.
Daper Dan Man
I started in 1989. My teacher called it Karate, but said it was really kung fu as taught in Indonesia. Since then, I've worked with some JMA people and some CMA people and I really think SD is its own animal. The forms are closer to CMA in structure, but the flavor is different than both CMA and JMA (which is why I don't agree with the criticism that it's just Karate trying to be kung fu).
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LOL, yes sir. I always had to put SD in its own little niche. Not this and not that, kind of a deal. Yes, I have managed to cross train in a handful of different arts over the years. (Always liked Gary).
Man, I'd love to hear more about the sparring of Sin and Hiang.
Exactly! There were very few forms(compared to the present), and lots of conditioning and sparring.
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@Bohdi. I remember the demonstration at the first Hazard tournamemnt when Sin and Hiang sparred each other. They were using weapons and closed to empty hand. There was a point where Sin caught Hiang in the eye and then they stopped the match. It was quite entertaining.
There were times when we would get to the dojo early and they would be working out behind locked doors. You could hear them going at it. Then, the door would open and they would come out soaking wet with sweat and act like nothing happened.
Of course, that was back before their falling out, in the 70's.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
see! karate! ABSOLUTELY ZERO authentic chinese martial arts schools NEVER call their schools DOJO...........lmao......fake ass kung fudojo
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when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
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I never called it kung fu. Always called it karate. Go play in traffic, Dip****.
周洪龍 金山鴻勝武舘 - 鴻勝佛家正宗
i found something interesting about Shaolin Do..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbNg43zdabE
do you feel gangsta now? did you do the hand gestures with that too? did you bob your head or swivel your neck when you typed that?Go play in traffic, Dip****
Hung Sing Boyz, we gottit on lock down
when he's around quick to ground and pound a clown
Bruh we thought you knew better
when it comes to head huntin, ain't no one can do it better
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