Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Golden Tiger]

yeah even I recognized the lo han movements. startled me for a second, they got an sd guy to be on fight scence? then i realized after about a second that those movements are as common in lo han system as the name "Smith" is in the phone book.

What is de name of de river in de land of Egypt?

[BM2]

De Nile?
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[Citong Shifu]

Just curious... How many shaolin louhan forms are taught in SD? What are the names of them? I think I've asked this before but cant remember if I got an answer.... We have 6 shaolin louhan empty hand, plus a couple two man sets, and louhan weapons, etc.... We normally start people out with louhan san zan, ba fa quan, fu hu quan, xiang lung quan, fu lung quan, etc.... Is louhan chein SD's first louhan form? Talk with u later...

Sifu Ron.

[Baqualin]

What is de name of de river in de land of Egypt?

GT...If you run out of salt let me know and I'll bring you some this weekend

[The Willow Sword]

and what am i denying? exactly? by pointing out the commonality of that particular lo han movement? so what am i denying? oh am i denying that this is actually something that shaolin do came up with and that everyone copies them? am i denying that sd is the true and most amazing comprehensive art in the universe? uhh no. just pointing out that its a common technique, so common in fact that ANYONE even a misrepresentation of shaolin lineage can aqquire.

how about YOUR side of that river GT?

TWS

[kungfujunky]

tws i would agree with you if it were 1 or 2 movements that he did.

but in fact he did nearly half of lo han chen in that set he did...plus a bit of our tiger.

i dont think that sequence of movements is common.

[Flaca]

Just curious... How many shaolin louhan forms are taught in SD? What are the names of them? I think I've asked this before but cant remember if I got an answer.... We have 6 shaolin louhan empty hand, plus a couple two man sets, and louhan weapons, etc.... We normally start people out with louhan san zan, ba fa quan, fu hu quan, xiang lung quan, fu lung quan, etc.... Is louhan chein SD's first louhan form? Talk with u later...

Sifu Ron.

I think I remember that the 30 short katas (reduced from 108 or so?) are called Lohan. Lohan chuan is the first lohan long form.

[godzillakungfu]

Why not post your respone over there?

Someone will stumble across this, tell bullshido, then all....breaks loose.

There are enough people on KFO with this attitude, lets not bring in BS.net.

[tattooedmonk]

I know this wasn't the best National Geographic ever offered up, but do my fellow SD peeps see anything familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G-dy...related&search

Epic...lohan chien/ fei hu chu tong ...wonder where he learned it...anyone know??

[Judge Pen]

Just curious... How many shaolin louhan forms are taught in SD? What are the names of them? I think I've asked this before but cant remember if I got an answer.... We have 6 shaolin louhan empty hand, plus a couple two man sets, and louhan weapons, etc.... We normally start people out with louhan san zan, ba fa quan, fu hu quan, xiang lung quan, fu lung quan, etc.... Is louhan chein SD's first louhan form? Talk with u later...

Sifu Ron.

Lohan Chien is the only Lohan form taught in SD as far as I'm aware.

[Radhnoti]

To add what I've heard to JP's statement...
I asked a lot of questions about Lohan Chien (first form I REALLY liked in SD). I could never figure out why it was classified as "mantis" in a lot of SD literature, I just didn't see a lot of what I expected mantis to be. I was told (by senior students of senior masters) that the Lohan stuff predated mantis, and as newer systems like mantis were brought into shaolin fewer and fewer fighters wanted to specialize in Lohan. This disturbed the historic minded teachers who recalled Lohan being the "favored" specialization. There was a fear that Lohan would be lost, the answer was to make learning Lohan a prerequisite to learning mantis. Mantis was the style everyone wanted to learn, and so Lohan was preserved.

I think SD is the only system I've heard indicate in it's oral history that a style as popular as Lohan (now) was almost lost because of a lack of popularity. It's also possible (though I took it to be in China) that the "re-grouping" took place in Indonesia and Lohan was unpopular there.

[Flaca]

Lohan Chien is the only Lohan form taught in SD as far as I'm aware.

Ask KC, he's the teacher who called short katas 'Lohan'.

[Citong Shifu]

Ask KC, he's the teacher who called short katas 'Lohan'.

What do you mean?

[The Willow Sword]

what he means is that KC has mentioned that the 30 short katas in the beginning curriculum of Sd are derived from the 108 lohan steps or tan tui. its the same thing that i was told but not by him.

as the history goes it was told to me that sin the' did teach out the 108 steps but found that the american western mindset was too dense to really soak it all in, so he revised the movements and condensed them into 30 steps. apparently there were alot of "revisions" back in the early days. which accounts for some of the inconsistancies of teaching forms there.

TWS

[Citong Shifu]

what he means is that KC has mentioned that the 30 short katas in the beginning curriculum of Sd are derived from the 108 lohan steps or tan tui. its the same thing that i was told but not by him.

as the history goes it was told to me that sin the' did teach out the 108 steps but found that the american western mindset was too dense to really soak it all in, so he revised the movements and condensed them into 30 steps. apparently there were alot of "revisions" back in the early days. which accounts for some of the inconsistancies of teaching forms there.

TWS

Ok, I see. That whole short kata thing threw me off. So, is that the 12 or 14 road tan tui tao lu?