Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[MasterKiller]

It's just when green sashes suddenly have all this material, but can't do short form correctly that I bur in my saddle.

Word. I think every school has a few of these running around. We have a couple that like to learn as much as possible, but never practice what they learn.

Has anyone seen the "At the Feet of the Grandmaster" DVD yet?

Can anyone order it, or do you have to be an SDA member?

[Judge Pen]

I think you can order it. I'm not an offical member of the SDA. I have seen bits and pieces, but not enough to form an opinion. GM Sin The is quite the talker, though. Very personalbe.

[themeecer]

Mantis7,
Your 2 posts were very well worded and respectful. For that I thank you. Regarding your second post, I understand your concerns. Without dogging another school who claims to be teaching SD all I will say is that their forms look nothing .. and I mean absolutely nothing like the way I do them. There have been some other videos I have seen on the web that are not very indicitive of what I consider SD should look like.

MK, as soon as I get my back healed up, I may just do that. (I woke up Friday morning and I was bent 45 degrees to the right in my lower waist. I am just now getting where I can walk again, decently. It was from a couple of car wrecks .. one where I was hit as a pedestrian, and some training accidents over the years. Not to mention I need a new bed ... it is sagging in the middle.) Also I need to get the capabilities to record digitally and capture video. I've been wanting to do a school website for some time now.

[MasterKiller]

They?

No disrepsect intended, JP. I just figured you would have to get permission from one of your seniors. I know my Sifu wouldn't want me inventing my own lesson plans w/o consulting him first.

themeecer--Sounds good.

[mantis7]

Thank you for your reply and apologies for rhe rant..

But if it possible and not for flame sake. could you discribe the method in which you do train in mantis, Bak mei, drunken, crane or five animals.

I have been exposed to all of these systems as well as having knowledge in other systems. I am not a master but I have been training for 20 + yrs. I am a stratergist and I understand the base concept of several CMA systems. Beofre I get flamed for saying this i do this not to train in the the other systems but to along the lines of know thy enemy. I learned to understand other systems so as not to be surprised if I touch hands with someone from a school I do not know of.

So if you can and are willing to expond on your system on concepts, theroies, formulas and the like

Cheers
Victor

[trilobite]

That's an interesting signature mantis7. Where did you pick that up?

[mantis7]

Hey thanks.... My sifu used to tell me that all the time as well as my father. I guess its a New York thing lol

Cheers
Vince

[Judge Pen]

Master Mullins says the same thing to his students (the tried by 12 saying)

MK, what I ment by my post is that I don't teach on my own so there's no reason to ask for permission. That and the Tennessee group already offers seminars at a less frequency then some of the schools in larger markets. I suppose its a market analysis decision. If I ever teach a class part time, I will offer extra material in that manner, but only after permission from Mike and Master Mullins.

Mantis7, I have no real drunk or mantis training to speak of. I know one introcutory form to each system so I'm not qualified to speak about the training. Texas SD is big on mantis so maybe one of their students can give you the information that I don't have. As for crane, I have 31/2 forms and befroe I learned the forms we drilled certain techniques from the forms (crane sweeps, kicking angles and balance, some 3* esque two man drills, footwork etc) before learning the form. We also work on Hua Tao's 5 animal play which has a "stork" for certian chi kung to compliment crane.

[trilobite]

Yeah mantis7, I remember Master Mullins saying that about two years ago when I had just started learning from him. He said his father used to say that. I don't know HOW I remembered that when I can seldom remember to bring home my algebra books.


p.s. I hate algebra. . .and math in general.

[Vash]

I DISAGREE!

[trilobite]

You forgot to say "Oh, Reginold" first.


(very obscure Family Guy reference)

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Judge Pen
Master Mullins says the same thing to his students (the tried by 12 saying)

"bustin caps in the mix /
I'd rather be judged by twelve than be buried by six..."

- Ice Cube

[themeecer]

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond mantis7, and I apologize that I am going to make this brief. I have one mantis form and a few drunken forms, and a few crane forms. Not sure what you are asking by 5 animal ... are you asking about a 5 animal combined form or separate pieces of each of the 5 animals?

I think it is great to get the base concept of several CMA systems. In fact that is what I feel we do when we learn so many 'styles' but individually choose to 'major' in one or two. From your writings here I know you and I would get along great in person. I would love to cross hands with you someday.

I only have one mantis form so I can't comment on training of that. I think one or two of our SD folks on here are more knowledgeable on mantis .. so maybe they will speak up on that. I do have a few drunken forms but I don't consider myself a drunken stylist. Strangely enough I find that it mirrors some of my internal arts, with the yielding principles. Maybe someone that focuses on drunken can expand on that.

I will comment a little on our crane training, since I have a sizable brownbelt class I am putting through this now. Not going to give out too much because I feel funny doing so on an open forum .. may do more through PM later. Forgive any rambling ... I'm on some pain medicine for my back and I am feeling a little loopy tonight. I will probably not use the same lingo you use on here since I am not experienced in explaining our training, I do more of showing it. We have a set of excruciatingly painful crane training we put our students through before they learn our 3 brownbelt crane forms. I use them often with our more advanced students as well. It trains endurance, accuracy, speed, and balance .. among other things. Some items include circular bird sweeps up and down the floor without and with a target, bird 'flicks' with the hand while jumping to the 4 cardinal directions on one leg, shoulder rolls done out on large gravel and many other things. I also like to train their techniques with live participants, especially the sweeps, prior to learning the form. Upon learning the form we break down the unending applications this way: I partner the class off and designate one side the attacker. The defender has to block the punch/kick and only use techniques from a certain portion of the form. I like to go around the room and have each person demonstrate their findings. It amazes the students that they can find 15+ different applications for the same move. I take this time to correct any overly wild imaginations that come up with power ranger moves. Also after all their ideas I give them a few of my own. Some of our forms actually have training applications taught with them as well. This especially is the case with our internal styles. After this we actually spar and they are only allowed to use maybe the first 10 moves from a form.

Where do you live Mantis 7? I honestly would like to meet up with you someday. I think we would be friends, whether or not I change your mind on SD.

[Meat Shake]

"Personally I advocate a seminar form being taught in a special 6 to 12 week class that starts with drills and applications and ends with sparring from the techniques introduced in the form. But, I've had this discussion on the Mullins forum as well."

Sounds like a good plan.

[Judge Pen]

Meece, other than the rolls on gravel , the crane training sounds similar. We will hold up sheets of paper to focus the wing flicks. I'll often let a newbie 3rd brown try to sweep me with the forward crane sweep. By the time they are ready to test for 2nds, they should be able to take me right off my feet, but it takes a while for the mechanics to click with them.