Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[MasterKiller]

Nice to hear your perspective on this WhiteEarp. Please don't be insulted when SD detractors claim you only exist as an alternative persona of someone studying shaolin-do.

I don't think anyone will doubt his credulity, especially if he actually posts photographs. What is funny is that A) his teacher called Ie Ching Men Sin The's father and B) that he says he never heard the "wild claims" from Shaolin-Do. Which could mean that Hiang The' is correct in stating they were related to Ie, and that the "youngest grandmaster in the history of Shaolin" story was fabricated by Sin, which is what everyone has been saying anyway--he learned some martial arts, inflated his credentials, and packaged it to whitey.

I mean, if this guy studied with Ie until he was 83, he should have certainly heard about the amazing feats of Sin The', right?

Or it could just be a wild goose chase. But this is certainly an interesting discovery. I am anxious to see the photos.

[lunghushan]

LUNG....your slipping.....your usually better at aggravating than this
BQ

Or maybe you guys are so used to criticism that any new thing, no matter how preposterous, you don't mind anymore.

Okay, I have a new one. Shaolin-Do is a secret Martian plot to control the earth through propagating a martial cult of martial arts groupies. Sin The is obviously a Martian. That's why he is always wearing sun glasses, because life on Mars is hidden deep underground, and Martians aren't used to getting so much sun, so he wears the sunglasses to protect his eyes because even through his disguise the light filters through.

What about that?

[Judge Pen]

Or maybe you guys are so used to criticism that any new thing, no matter how preposterous, you don't mind anymore.

Okay, I have a new one. Shaolin-Do is a secret Martian plot to control the earth through propagating a martial cult of martial arts groupies. Sin The is obviously a Martian. That's why he is always wearing sun glasses, because life on Mars is hidden deep underground, and Martians aren't used to getting so much sun, so he wears the sunglasses to protect his eyes because even through his disguise the light filters through.

What about that?

You have us confused with the Moo.

[lunghushan]

You have us confused with the Moo.

No, the Moo is a human sized subterranean termite. After the humans are gone, the Moo will battle with the Do for control of the solar system.

[Shaolin Wookie]

...and packaged it to whitey.

[WhiteEarp]

Okay well i've got permission but i somehow must figure out how to resize them:S you can only post pictures that are 100 Kb:S
Oh and btw, i allready feel a little bit of hostility here. Pleas do not confuse Sifu Decramer with Shaolin-Do. He is in no way affiliated to this group or what they're about. And yes the pictures are real. They're comin' up.

[Crushing Fist]

WhiteEarp-

If you are using Windows you can resize the photos with "Paint" which can be found in the "Accessories" under "All Programs" from "Start"

In Paint open the photo then click on the "Image" command and click on Stretch/Skew in the submenu

In the top part labeled "stretch" enter new values for Horizontal and Vertical %

something around 10-20% depending on the original size of the photo should be good. When you click "OK" the ew image size will be displayed. Now go to "file" "save as..." and choose a new name so you don't save over the original.


easy.


you could also look at getting Picasa from google. It's free and is very good at handling images.


edit: also make sure to save as type: "jpeg" if it isn't already

[NJM]

I found proof that Shaolin-Do is fake!

[lunghushan]

I found proof that Shaolin-Do is fake!

See!!! See!!! I would post my expose on the China/Eskimo coverup, but unfortunately it was stolen by aliens last night while I was sleeping. I fully expect them to abduct me if the subterranean termite cult doesn't get me first. This will likely be my last transmission.

[brucereiter]

Okay well i've got permission but i somehow must figure out how to resize them:S you can only post pictures that are 100 Kb:S
Oh and btw, i allready feel a little bit of hostility here. Pleas do not confuse Sifu Decramer with Shaolin-Do. He is in no way affiliated to this group or what they're about. And yes the pictures are real. They're comin' up.

hi white earp ...

is the below information from your teacher/schools website?
i am looking forward to hearing more from you ... ignore the hostility ...

best,

b


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http://members.chello.nl/h.kreijtz/Kung-Fu.html
http://members.chello.nl/h.kreijtz/decramer.html#


Een leven vol Kung Fu
Als je Fred Decramer op de praatstoel hebt is het net of je in een spannend boek verzeild bent geraakt. De een na de andere prachtige anekdote geïllustreerd met heftige gebaren passeert de revue. Over zijn tijd in een klooster in Indo-China alwaar Fred, op 22 jarige leeftijd, zijn eerste ondericht kreeg het Kung-Fu. Of over zijn verblijf in Thailand als o.a. natuurgenezer en muzikant. Maar ook over de geschiedenis van het Kung-Fu in Nederland en
en-passant de historie van het Kenpo wat hij trainde bij o.a de legendarische Sifu Meijer.
Hoewel Fred Decramer meerder stijlen beheerst ligt de nadruk in zijn lessen toch het meest op de bewegelijke aapstijl (How Chuen). Wellicht is het door deze soepele stijl dat je hem zijn 63 jaren in leeftijd niet aanziet. Tijdens de lessen van Si-fu Decramer leer je naast een uitmuntende techniek ook allerlij trivia over de geschiedenis en land van herkomst van het Kung-Fu.

A life full Kung Fu if you Fred have Decramer on the praatstoel is it exactly or sailed have touched you in stretching a book. After the other splendid anecdote illustrated with violent gestures the revue passes. Over its time in a convent in indo-China alwaar Fred, on 22 person whose birthday it is age, first ondericht got Kung-Fu are. Or concerning its stay in thailand as among other things natuurgenezer and muzikant. But also concerning the history of Kung-Fu in the Netherlands and en-passant the historie of the Kenpo what he trained the legendary Sifu Meijer at o.a. Although Fred Decramer greater master styles the emphasis in its lessons lies nevertheless most on bewegelijke the monkey style (How Chuen). Possibly are it by this smooth style that you him are 63 years in age do not consider. During the lessons of Si-fu Decramer learn you beside an excelling technique also allerlij trivia concerning the history and country of origin of Kung-Fu.

http://members.chello.nl/h.kreijtz/Kung-Fu.html
KUNG FU
Grondlegger: onbekend. Land van oorsprong: China

Aangezien Kung Fu enkele duizenden jaren geleden is ontstaan, is de oorsprong niet te achterhalen. Kung Fu-stijlen zijn vaak aan dieren ontleend, zoals de stijl van de aap of de tijger. Slechts enkele specialiseren zich in meerdere dieren of stijlen. Een bekende, veelal door monnikken beoefende en verspreide stijl is het Shaolin. Het Shaolin klooster werd eind 5e eeuw in China gesticht. Andere bekende stijlen zijn onder andere het Wu Shu en Wing Chun. Kung-Fu is overigens de Chinese benaming voor ‘beheersen van’; zo kan men eigenlijk net zo goed spreken van Kung Fu van koken, een chéf-kok dus. Kung-Fu wordt ook wel Chinees boksen genoemd; er zijn honderden vormen en miljoenen beoefenaars verspreid over de hele wereld.

Founder: unknown. Country of origin: China Since Kung Fu some are suffered thousands of years have arisen, the origin is not retrieve. Kung Fu-stijlen have been frequently borrowed from animals, such as the style of the monkey or the tiger. Only some specialise themselves in several animals or styles. An acquaintance, mostly practised monnikken and spread style is the Shaolin. The Shaolin convent end 5e was founded centuries in China. Other well-known styles are among other things the Wu Shu and Wing Chun. Kung-Fu are moreover the denomination Chinese for ` master of; thus one can speak in fact just as well of Kung Fu of to cook, chéf-kok therefore. Kung-Fu become also Chinese box mentioned; there its hundreds of forms and millions beoefenaars spread concerning the complete world.

[Judge Pen]

Okay well i've got permission but i somehow must figure out how to resize them:S you can only post pictures that are 100 Kb:S
Oh and btw, i allready feel a little bit of hostility here. Pleas do not confuse Sifu Decramer with Shaolin-Do. He is in no way affiliated to this group or what they're about. And yes the pictures are real. They're comin' up.

WhiteEarp; no one is confusing you with Shaolin-do. Everyone here is interested is learning more of Ie Chang Ming and the material he taught. If your teacher did train with Ie Chang Ming, then that is major news for people who train in SD as one of the major arguments that SD is not legitimate is that no one else references Ie Chang Ming or the fabled Su Kong Tai Djing. If you r teacher did train with him, and you are of the opinion that the material he learned is legitimate kung fu, then that is one more piece of the SD puzzle filled in by an independant source. GM The is still going to be a controversial figure and no one is going to link you or your teacher with him beyond the Ie Chang Ming connection. It appears that your teacher trained with Master Ie after Sin and Hiang The came to the states.

As for hostility, some are worse than others, but typically most people have intelligent and respectul conversations about SD etc.

[tattooedmonk]

I think I've respectfully discussed this matter and expressed my opinions. In summery, all the SD I've seen in videos combined with the lineage, stories, etc lead me to feel that Shaolin Do isn't CMA but I'm done debating for now at least. The topic of whether SD is CMA or isn't CMA has been debated back and forth for a seemingly endless number of pages in this thread so if you're interested in seeing the arguments, evidence, opinions, insults, jokes, etc they are all there to read. Although that's not something I'd want to do lol. The thing I find ironic is that it's the largest, most active thread in the KFM forums (correct me if I'm wrong Gene!) and it was started by an account with only 1 post! I believe Judge Pen pointed this out many pages ago but I'm not going to dig that up.

so once again why is it not CMA????

[The Xia]

so once again why is it not CMA????

lunghushan spilled the beans. It's MMA.......Martian Martial Arts!

[kwaichang]

Ok guys,
1 only about 10 people post consistently about SD
2 those who are not SD post opinions w/o empirical evidence that they know what they are talking about.
3 SD has been around in the US in one form or name or another since 1968 almost 40 years
4 those , not SD have studied under 1-3 instructors and thus voice their opinions
5 average age of poster approx 32 years old.
6 SD has over 4000 practitioners
7 average education level of SD practioners ,at least high school and 2 years of college
8 SD history disproven NO
9 SD techniques proven YES
10 techniques included in the SD system similarity noted with other "TCMA"
There are many other points but SD is real and is TCMA and has stood the ravages of time and not been disproven KC

[Baqualin]

Ok guys,
1 only about 10 people post consistently about SD
2 those who are not SD post opinions w/o empirical evidence that they know what they are talking about.
3 SD has been around in the US in one form or name or another since 1968 almost 40 years
4 those , not SD have studied under 1-3 instructors and thus voice their opinions
5 average age of poster approx 32 years old.
6 SD has over 4000 practitioners
7 average education level of SD practioners ,at least high school and 2 years of college
8 SD history disproven NO
9 SD techniques proven YES
10 techniques included in the SD system similarity noted with other "TCMA"
There are many other points but SD is real and is TCMA and has stood the ravages of time and not been disproven KC

GMS started teaching before 68.....it's over 40 now....for your records.
BQ