Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[kwaichang]

It is philosophy not logic. KC

[kwaichang]

At the moment that you are not thinking but perform the technique to its highest level you will then be the technique both body spirit and mind , or should I say NO MIND. KC

[The Xia]

Logic is the backbone of philosophy.

[kwaichang]

BTW a jab is also a block/parry as well. and a grab preceding a take down and an arm break. See what I mean, and I did not learn this by asking what is this technique for Sifu So and SO. KC

[kwaichang]

Once you understand then logic is done away with , and philosophy rules, as logic is thought and binds the mind so it is no longer free to be without restriction. KC

[The Xia]

At the moment that you are not thinking but perform the technique to its highest level you will then be the technique both body spirit and mind , or should I say NO MIND. KC

If you are performing the technique instinctually you are still executing, doing, or as I said performing it. You aren't being it. Saying that a high level martial artist is being a technique is like saying a highly skilled speaker is being a word. There’s no logic in that.

[BoulderDawg]

Just one more comment about forms and then I'm done:

If I go up to five black belts (second degree or higher) and ask them to show me Fei Hu Ch'u Tung. I will see five different versions of that form. They will vary slightly but they will vary.

I've always wondered why we can't have videos of the forms. That way the masters can teach us and, when we go home to practice, we can check our moves against the correct ones on the video.

I've often thought of asking a high level black belt if I could tape them doing forms just for personal use but I've also felt that to even ask might lead to some trouble for all involved.

[kwaichang]

You are right there is no Logic in that, as logic will not alllow you to see, it only allows you to look. KC Let me say it this way, Thetechnique happens through you there is no conscious thought or effort thus you are "being the technique". If you understand your self fully and the technique and the human mind , body and spirit then you will be the technique as you do it. KC

[Meat Shake]

MA have dual purpose. Are you telling me that the technique you were shown on day 1 is done the same way since then ? NO, It changes as does the application of the technique. That is making the art your own adapting to change so I guess you are so perfect that you always perform the technique by the bookand make it work. I guess you are like jim carry " no attackl like this I said". MA have dual purpose. BTW application comes from a knowledge of the body Muscle origin and insertion, joints , nerves and Accupuncture meridians if you dont know that then you only scrach the surface, as far as application is concerned. You are the joke with no understanding of what doing and being means. KC

"MA have dual purpose. Are you telling me that the technique you were shown on day 1 is done the same way since then ? "

Dual purpose? Yes, to learn how to fight and to get in shape. They work together when done properly.
And yes, the techniques I was shown on day 1 are done the same way, the only difference is that I slowly learned all of the nuances to the specific techniques. Thats exactly why what I have learned is effective.

The applications have remained the same, I just learned more as I went. No technique always works, but training and drilling correctly will drastically increase your potential and abilities to successfully use any given technique.

"I guess you are like jim carry " no attackl like this I said"."

I guess if I watched tv and that actually made sense, I would respond to it in a logical and cohesive manner.

"BTW application comes from a knowledge of the body Muscle origin and insertion, joints , nerves and Accupuncture meridians if you dont know that then you only scrach the surface, as far as application is concerned. You are the joke with no understanding of what doing and being means.
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Once again.. Hocus pocus magic light, watch this form teach me to fight... Application comes from a knowledge of the application, how and when to use it, and what kind of opponent and situation will make it effective. Meridians dont mean ****. I studied Dim Mak for years, only to realize its main effectiveness was for healing. I use pressure points for breaking people down easier when Im grappling, but past that they are useless. Doing and being arent applicable to fight, unless you just want to play with old quotes like "I think therefore I am"....
But that still doesnt mean anything in terms of fighting. If you are doing and focusing, by those terms, you are being.
I understand, its just a pointless and mystical thing to say that is nothing more than another "magical" statement made to woo the inexperienced and under informed.

[The Xia]

Once you understand then logic is done away with , and philosophy rules, as logic is thought and binds the mind so it is no longer free to be without restriction. KC

As I said before, logic is the backbone of philosophy. As far as I'm concerned, logic doesn't bind the mind but frees it from ignorance and stupidity.

You are right there is no Logic in that, as logic will not alllow you to see, it only allows you to look. KC Let me say it this way, Thetechnique happens through you there is no conscious thought or effort thus you are "being the technique". If you understand your self fully and the technique and the human mind , body and spirit then you will be the technique as you do it. KC

You are simply rephrasing what you said. Using a technique correctly and instinctually still doesn’t mean that person is being a technique.

[kwaichang]

MS you contradict yourself more than once in the above statement. Are you saying a technique you have been shown is used as it was shown and that way only. , and you have never used that technique for something else ??? KC If you say yes then you are either living in a box where everybody attacks the same way or you are a liar. KC

[kwaichang]

I see XIA that you are bound by your logic, some things cannot be logical like faith , God , Origin of the universe etc. So I will not discuss this further , but I have enjoyed it. KC

[Meat Shake]

"and you have never used that technique for something else ???"

Nope.
A throw is a throw.
A punch is a punch, a block is a block.
There are techniques used to block that look similar to a punch, and escapes that lead you into throws and even look similar to throws, but the techniques are not the same. There are subtle yet extremely importan nuances between them, and without knowing and understanding the differences you make your techniques ineffective.
I will say it again, your mystic hob knobbery magical kung fu phrase ignorance is exactly why people dismiss SD as a joke a majority of the time. They have people training hard to fight and fighting trying to make a name for themselves, and people like you taking away most credibility within instants.
Peace.

[The Xia]

I see XIA that you are bound by your logic, some things cannot be logical like faith , God , Origin of the universe etc. So I will not discuss this further , but I have enjoyed it. KC

In the Summa Theologica, St. Thomas Aquinas is logical in his approach to faith, God, and the origin of the universe.

[kwaichang]

Well MS I must have woo'ed you as your statements are. KC