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    Quote Originally Posted by cjurakpt View Post
    that's the famous Epileptic Crane, if I am not mistaken...
    You're mistaken. It's 'Tung Lung Chuen'.
    We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit.
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  2. #5657
    Quote Originally Posted by cjurakpt View Post
    that's the famous Epileptic Crane, if I am not mistaken...
    Funny, It is actually a form Known as Tang Lang Chien or Chuan . I was told that it was a form that was created my GMT when he was young based on the things he was taught about mantis early on. Each of the strikes that he is doing in the form are to specific pressure points and not some epileptic fit or flailing. I have not seen it ( the form)done in any other system, however I have seen many of the techniques done in other mantis forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean_stonehart View Post
    Nice try from www.clfsd.com/kung.html ...

    No I was wanting to hear about the way SD teaches noi lim sao in their CLF curriculum since according to you via reliable heresay they have the complete system to teach out.
    No ,I was looking in my notes. Whatever link that is , it did not work. And how would I know if the forms from CLF have only been taught to the elder masters??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller View Post
    Of course not. Haven't you seen their mission statement?

    "If your primary interest is tournament skills, I advise you to seek your training elsewhere! Most of what you will learn here is too lethal for tournament use. I teach the ancient system of Shaolin Do, 'Art of survival, not of sport.' As did the immortals, we should learn to destroy so that we may preserve! It is a way of truth. The knowledge that I offer you is not an athletic training; it is a sacred trust." --Shaolin Grandmaster Sin Kwang The'

    The Annual Sin The' Karate Tournament®™ point-sparring matches must be like X-mas for the local morgue.
    Boy this current pi$$ing contest is fun! This mission statement inticed me because when I joined, I wasn't interested in tournaments, I was interested in defending myself. Whether or not you subcribe to the history or if it's 'real' Shaolin is irrelevent to me. What matters to me is that I'll be able to defend myself in a real fight, and I have. So I'm satisfied with what I learned.

    Keep on pi$$ing and moaning my friends!
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    The only reference to Noi Lim Sao on the net referred to as "2nd Level" is on his site. Site link fix... http://www.clfsd.com/kungfu.html

    As far as knowing that... you're the one that provided the ground that you have a "reliable source" that apparently provided you with that info.

    So ...
    - you've been told wrong & won't admit it,
    - caught in a sticky position & don't know how to get out of it with face,
    - blind follower waiting for the UFO to come back with a cup of koolaide in your hand

    Also you've shown outright contempt for GM Wong by calling him by his full name, and getting the name wrong as well, after you say you've been studying with him for 6 months.

    So where do you want to go now?
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  6. #5661
    Quote Originally Posted by sean_stonehart View Post
    The only reference to Noi Lim Sao on the net referred to as "2nd Level" is on his site. Site link fix... http://www.clfsd.com/kungfu.html

    As far as knowing that... you're the one that provided the ground that you have a "reliable source" that apparently provided you with that info.

    So ...
    - you've been told wrong & won't admit it,
    - caught in a sticky position & don't know how to get out of it with face,
    - blind follower waiting for the UFO to come back with a cup of koolaide in your hand

    Also you've shown outright contempt for GM Wong by calling him by his full name, and getting the name wrong as well, after you say you've been studying with him for 6 months.

    So where do you want to go now?
    If I am wrong then I am wrong , but I have no reason to doubt this person nor will I . I will find out if it is true or not and will admit that I am wrong if it is untrue. Until then I will continue to take this person's word for it.

    Do not make assumptions about me , you do not know me, nor do you want to know me.

    As for contemt for GM Wong( Doc Fai Wong) give me a break.

    By the way , cool site.
    Last edited by tattooedmonk; 06-06-2007 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tattooedmonk View Post
    I agree , but that is not what I wrote. READ IT AGAIN.
    Uhm...I do have a college degree I am able to comprehend what you wrote. Which stated that the "CLF" as you specifically noted is only taught at 7th and 8th levels and is done in "secret" are there many more ways that I can read that.

    To which my response remains anything that needs to be conveyed in "secret" is crap. Especially when you're referring to a system that is widely known as CLF. It's not like you're learning to throw out chi blasts...or...are you?!!
    "To know you don't know is best.
    Not to know you don't know is a flaw.
    Therefore, the Sage's not being flawed
    Stems from his recognizing a flaw as a flaw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjurakpt View Post
    that's the famous Epileptic Crane, if I am not mistaken...
    LOL...you're hysterical.
    "To know you don't know is best.
    Not to know you don't know is a flaw.
    Therefore, the Sage's not being flawed
    Stems from his recognizing a flaw as a flaw.
    Therefore, he is flawless."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean_stonehart View Post
    There was at least at one time on the Denver site.

    www.shao-lin.com and look for some festival.
    WOW...

    Double Daggers - so as long as I hold two daggers at the same time and do absolutely nothing with them I too can have a shaolin double dagger form. Why the heck have I been trying to work them in both hands for all these years?

    I do concede that is a 5 animal form. Perhaps it's not the traditional but - squirrels, bunnies, pigeons, kittens and salmon are animals none the less.

    Drunken Style - oh I thought that was part of the 5 animals....let's not touch the spear vs. sword or I mean sword hacking at spear.

    Shaolin all the way dude!
    "To know you don't know is best.
    Not to know you don't know is a flaw.
    Therefore, the Sage's not being flawed
    Stems from his recognizing a flaw as a flaw.
    Therefore, he is flawless."

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcaldwell View Post
    Uhm...I do have a college degree I am able to comprehend what you wrote. Which stated that the "CLF" as you specifically noted is only taught at 7th and 8th levels and is done in "secret" are there many more ways that I can read that.

    To which my response remains anything that needs to be conveyed in "secret" is crap. Especially when you're referring to a system that is widely known as CLF. It's not like you're learning to throw out chi blasts...or...are you?!!
    Haha,

    Originally Posted by tattooedmonk
    ... at that level the material is taught in secret and is not advertised.( post 5021)

    Obviously your college education did not help you with this one.

    You have been misreading and responding to most of what I have said , talk about defensive much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tattooedmonk View Post
    Haha,

    Originally Posted by tattooedmonk
    ... at that level the material is taught in secret and is not advertised.( post 5021)

    Obviously your college education did not help you with this one.

    You have been misreading and responding to most of what I have said , talk about defensive much!
    Are you a complete twit? Nevermind - you answered that time and time again.

    I GOT IT..."THAT LEVEL"..."MATERIAL TAUGHT IN SECRET"...EQUALS...B.S.

    Maybe you should read your own writing or perhaps learn to convey what you mean. But obviously you don't KNOW what you mean to convey so therefore you convey nonsense.

    If you enjoy your training then by all means continue - be it shaolin or not - that's another story but as long as you enjoy disillusion then that's great - go for it.

    I'm out...at least 'till later.
    "To know you don't know is best.
    Not to know you don't know is a flaw.
    Therefore, the Sage's not being flawed
    Stems from his recognizing a flaw as a flaw.
    Therefore, he is flawless."

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    Your out alright out of your mind KC
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    Quote Originally Posted by djcaldwell View Post
    let's not touch the spear vs. sword
    yes, I'd like to comment on that -

    this "set" showed a total lack of any comprehension of how either weapon is supposed to be used; it lacked all but the most basic types of exchanges, and even those were poorly organized; the way the set was structured was that one person purely attacked and the other only defended for a number of moves, and then it reversed - this is the antithesis of how every other 2-person TCMA weapon set I've seen or learned works (I've seen one or two in my time); additionally, neither weapon was used properly in terms of the ranges and how each one handles the other when in their range of strength (e.g. - what do you do with a broadsword against a spear at long range to get into short range, and what does the spear player then do when fighting at short range)

    I say nothing per se about the "skill" of the performers (which was pretty low), because some will no doubt say some schools and practitioners are beter than others, etc.; fine - I am talking about the content of the form purely on a technical level

    some will argue against this based on the fact that I am not a high ranking SD blackbelt, that I am missing the "inner essence" of the forms, etc.

    it's very simple: you can try to deflect the reality with all sort sorts of qualifiers, attacking the poster, etc.; bottom line is that, if you don't get why that set was totally lame, then you are beyond my personal powers of persuasion; I also can recommend another weapon set that you would no doubt find to be of very high level...
    http://www.tigerkungfu.com/videos/Emei.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjurakpt View Post
    yes, I'd like to comment on that -


    it's very simple: you can try to deflect the reality with all sort sorts of qualifiers, attacking the poster, etc.; bottom line is that, if you don't get why that set was totally lame, then you are beyond my personal powers of persuasion; I also can recommend another weapon set that you would no doubt find to be of very high level...
    http://www.tigerkungfu.com/videos/Emei.html
    ROTFLMAO...
    "To know you don't know is best.
    Not to know you don't know is a flaw.
    Therefore, the Sage's not being flawed
    Stems from his recognizing a flaw as a flaw.
    Therefore, he is flawless."

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    You guys think that is a good sword form ??? No accounting for lack of judgement KC
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