Originally Posted by Lamassu
Why does it bother you guys so much?
If you don't like Shaolin Do, then the best thing for you to do is avoid it and not talk about it. Let it go. Now I know the same old tired response: "But they make all these claims about being the most comprehensive martial art blah blah blah, and it's my duty to p!$$ and moan for the sake of Shaolin even though I have no ties to it whatsoever except maybe that I'm learning Longfist or something!"
If you're learning the "real" Shaolin and we aren't, then why do you care? To "warn" others about the "evil" Grandmaster Sin The? How noble of you, tell me, do you wear a cape to work? You're so righteous, I must say we're all veryimpressed down here.
Those of us that practice Shaolin Do are on these forums so we can communicate with one another as well as with the martial art community in general. I've noticed when a SDer posts something, it's usually a technical question about a form or application or query about the lineage. Unfortunately, it's that last part that brings about the peanut gallery ready to insult, mock and jeer. Don't you losers have anything better to do? Go practice your "superior" martial art and let us continue with our topic uninterrupted.
I really don't give a rats @$$ what anybody here thinks about Shaolin Do, that's not why I joined. All I'll say though is if you can't talk to an SDer here without antagonizing us about our martial art (that no one here can change, improve or destroy anyway), then apparently your martial art isn't all that either if it's students can show any civility, it's probably worse cr@p than Shaolin Do could ever be.
I know neither myself nor many others hear have claimed to do this for the "sake of Shaolin" nor have I ever claimed shaolin lineage. What I did comment on and not complained about - was that their claims of direct ties to the Shaolin temple were nonsense.
Based solely on any performance I've seen to date of Shaolin Do - which I know you and the rest will say is of course poor representations. But when the schools themselves are posting their demos and what not - you can't tell me that it's a poor representation - why would they post their worst students and/or demos?
With that, from what I've seen it's KENPO which by no means a Chinese Martial Art. Here is an section of a read on Kenpo / Kempo:
There is no argument that what you guys do was "influenced" by CMA but it is not CMA. That is where I have a problem - just say what you are doing and don't mislead people. I know several people who made up their own fighitng system and they say just that without trying to lay claim to BS.90 years ago Kenpo was so well known as an effective fighting art in Japan that many Japanese styles that had no connection with Kenpo claimed their art was derived from Kenpo. Some even went so far as to claim their masters had training directly under Chinese Kenpo masters. Similar claims have continued to this day, even though there has never been a Chinese Kenpo master; nor has there been a master of the Chinese style that gave rise to Kenpo in centuries. What's even more ridiculous are the Korean schools that claim to teach Kenpo as part of Tai Kwon Do. This Chinese Kenpo is not to be confused with the styles developed by Kenpo students who went on to train with Bruce Lee and created their own systems of Chinese Kenpo.
If you believe it great. If it works for you great. No one is going to change your minds. But don't expect that people who have done CMA for most of their lives are going to look at this and say it is a Cat when we all know it's a Dog.
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Is it because GM Sin says he is Grandmaster of Shaolin? Well, he named the art Shaolin-Do. I really don't think he thinks it's anything but Shaolin-Do, or else he'd have named it Shaolin, without the Do.
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