Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[jit fu]

I've met masters of CMA (outside of SD) that are not chinese. If its a cultural thing then it isn't a martial thing (although there may be some overlap).

maybe they were testing you...to see if you knew. you not being there students, its not there job to correct you. that would be rude. i appreciate your courtesy tho. however the kung fu and the culture is intertwined, so they do go hand in hand.

[tattooedmonk]

I guess you have not heard about the reason theses things are not taught in our school?? Like I said before ,and with the mentality of some of the people in this group I will have to say again, SD went to Indonesia and adopted different traditions. All of the Chinese outward appearences were removed from the system while it was there.

What part of this is hard to understand??

Secret hand shakes?? You have got to be kidding me.

The alter prayers, lion dances, and such?? This maybe important in certain schools, but I have been to a lot of CMA schools and not all of them have one or practice these cultural rituals. Mostly because of religious beliefs. They are part of the culture not the martial practices.They have only been married to these practices for a short time.

[tattooedmonk]

maybe they were testing you...to see if you knew. you not being there students, its not there job to correct you. that would be rude. i appreciate your courtesy tho. however the kung fu and the culture is intertwined, so they do go hand in hand.

BS. I know a few Chinese people and they make it their business to correct you on many thngs that you are doing incorrect.Things that you might think are just trivial and non-intrinsic

[Baqualin]

I hate posting like this but it's the easiest way to make sure I answer your questions... sorry about the posting style...

No problem!


No worries it is what it is based on what I saw, experienced, read in a book & still see on websites ... so what'd I miss??

PM me your email & I'll send you the complete Internal curriculum...not a secret just to many letters to fit here

For a minute or two...



Not without a helluva commute time...



See above



I've seen students & seniors students from Lexington

We have weekend warriors here too.....their very healthy though



Where? When is it taught? Day one?

starting with day one in the internal classes



Most what?
Forms & Weapons...applications & chi kung are taught across the board and before you say it....yes each system has it's own chi kung and app.s



Again, where?
Starting with day one in the internal classes...unless I'm misunderstanding you.



Oh no not at all. It was SD's attempt at teaching forms from styles it has no concept of a proper training regimine in
EML & EMS have really good concepts in training
... unless teachers went elsewhere to pick up pointers & methods lacking in the existing curriculum or being held back until reaching a "master" level.

All of the internal at one time was 1st Black belt material and up....alot wasn't taught until you got into the upper ranks...that is one thing that has changed with the internal program...at least here. If I haven't answered your questions....hit me back more specifically.
BQ

[Baqualin]

i'll write this reaaaallll slow for you. chan heung had 3 teachers, he took what he had learned and combined what he thought was the best that the 3 offered. codified it into 1 comprehensive system with him (chan heung) being the founder. he created the system from the knowledge pool he had . ergo, everything done in clf is clf. he didn't take li yau san's system and teach 2-3 forms from it, nor did he take a form from chan yuen woo and teach it, he created his own and gave it the ging, stances, hands accross the board, ie he codified it so it could be constantly refined. he however didnt create clf then decide to buddy with his contemporaries and add a few forms from there systems to make his system grow more.clf teaches clf forms, clf techniques, clf history, clf internal, clf chi gung. it didnt need any other outside input.

Although known as a Southern style, Choy Li Fut has its origins in both Northern and Southern China. Since the system's founder had three teachers, two from the South and one from the North, Chan Heung decided to combine the teachings of all three masters into one system. Thus, Choy Li Fut is one of the few kung-fu styles that contains techniques from both Northern and Southern Chinese martial arts.

No outside input?

[Baqualin]

i'll write this reaaaallll slow for you. chan heung had 3 teachers, he took what he had learned and combined what he thought was the best that the 3 offered. codified it into 1 comprehensive system with him (chan heung) being the founder. he created the system from the knowledge pool he had . ergo, everything done in clf is clf. he didn't take li yau san's system and teach 2-3 forms from it, nor did he take a form from chan yuen woo and teach it, he created his own and gave it the ging, stances, hands accross the board, ie he codified it so it could be constantly refined. he however didnt create clf then decide to buddy with his contemporaries and add a few forms from there systems to make his system grow more.clf teaches clf forms, clf techniques, clf history, clf internal, clf chi gung. it didnt need any other outside input.

Chan Heung was shocked when Choy Fok pointed to a large rock weighing about eighty pounds, and told him to kick it twelve feet. Bracing himself, the student exerted all of his strength as his foot crashed against the rock, sending it barely twelve feet away. Instead of giving the expected compliment, Choy Fok placed his foot under the heavy rock and effortlessly propelled it through the air. Chan Heung was awestruck by this demonstration of superpower.

No legends here
Must believe all

[Baqualin]

Not sure if I know how to use the quote feature right because I don't post much. Hope I didn't screw that up.

Baqualin, I was wondering what the SD foundation training (as mentioned above) is for Baguazhang. I'm not involved in the big argument here, I was just curious.

Shane

Stepping drills, breathing & meditation, Actually learning and applying the 64 rules of classical Baqua, chi kung, coiling exercises, baqua sparring techniques, strength training, applications, fai jing training, blk sash & up iron bone training (optional), Baqua push hands ( 2man set), post training
BQ

[tattooedmonk]

BINGO.....THREE SYSTEMS into one complete system......soup....all same family....northern & southern

Also claimed as a traditional Shaolin Martial Art

[tattooedmonk]

Stepping drills, breathing & meditation, Actually learning and applying the 64 rules of classical Baqua, chi kung, coiling exercises, baqua sparring techniques, strength training, applications, fai jing training, blk sash & up iron bone training (optional), Baqua push hands ( 2man set), post training
BQ

[tattooedmonk]

Although known as a Southern style, Choy Li Fut has its origins in both Northern and Southern China. Since the system's founder had three teachers, two from the South and one from the North, Chan Heung decided to combine the teachings of all three masters into one system. Thus, Choy Li Fut is one of the few kung-fu styles that contains techniques from both Northern and Southern Chinese martial arts.

No outside input?

[tattooedmonk]

pages left . At this rate we could do it by the starting of next week!!!

[jit fu]

I guess you have not heard about the reason theses things are not taught in our school?? Like I said before ,and with the mentality of some of the people in this group I will have to say again, SD went to Indonesia and adopted different traditions. All of the Chinese outward appearences were removed from the system while it was there.

What part of this is hard to understand??

Secret hand shakes?? You have got to be kidding me.

The alter prayers, lion dances, and such?? This maybe important in certain schools, but I have been to a lot of CMA schools and not all of them have one or practice these cultural rituals. Mostly because of religious beliefs. They are part of the culture not the martial practices.They have only been married to these practices for a short time.

really, very interesting. that's why there's a "t" in front of tcma. no secret handshake, only proper ettiquete. your school is indonesian, what would you know of a tcma school and there practices?

[jit fu]

BS. I know a few Chinese people and they make it their business to correct you on many thngs that you are doing incorrect.Things that you might think are just trivial and non-intrinsic

really, good you know a few chinese people, would they happen to be sifu's? been in the chinese community much? weekend trips to chinatown don't count.

[jit fu]

Although known as a Southern style, Choy Li Fut has its origins in both Northern and Southern China. Since the system's founder had three teachers, two from the South and one from the North, Chan Heung decided to combine the teachings of all three masters into one system. Thus, Choy Li Fut is one of the few kung-fu styles that contains techniques from both Northern and Southern Chinese martial arts.

No outside input?

are you dense? after chan heung created clf from his 3 systems he had learned, that was it. no more. he didn't add tam tui, hua, look boon dim gwun ect. thats the point. he created his sysytem and taught it. he did not add forms from other styles after he created his finished product.

[Lamassu]

are you dense? after chan heung created clf from his 3 systems he had learned, that was it. no more. he didn't add tam tui, hua, look boon dim gwun ect. thats the point. he created his sysytem and taught it. he did not add forms from other styles after he created his finished product.

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