Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[BM2]

[QUOTE=Judge Pen; Frankly I'm shocked and appalled [/QUOTE]

I recall an English teacher requesting the class to never use appalled in any letter to the Editor. He said that it seems everyone is "appalled."

[Judge Pen]

I recall an English teacher requesting the class to never use appalled in any letter to the Editor. He said that it seems everyone is "appalled."

Well I'm appalled that you would challenge my use of the word "appalled". I demand that you, sir, cease and desist.

[Baqualin]

I learned these forms back in '84, man 23 yrs ago! whoa. Anyway there was an ad in IKF magazine that sin the' put out about some week long seminars he was holding for anyone to come and learn. When he listed the shaolin bird forms he followed them with original in parenthesis. I ask my instructor about it and he said they were created by GMS to add some material to the brown belt level. This was also in '84. It's just what I was told, why he would create new forms when he had 900 to choose from, I don't know.

They were first taught (to my knowledge) to a handful of BB's in 79 or so as a gift from GMS....they were not part of curriculum at that time.....original in parenthesis means it came directly from the temple......GMS didn't make them up.
BQ

[Judge Pen]

They were first taught (to my knowledge) to a handful of BB's in 79 or so as a gift from GMS....they were not part of curriculum at that time.....original in parenthesis means it came directly from the temple......GMS didn't make them up.
BQ

Were you part of the '79 group?

[bodhi warrior]

They were first taught (to my knowledge) to a handful of BB's in 79 or so as a gift from GMS....they were not part of curriculum at that time.....original in parenthesis means it came directly from the temple......GMS didn't make them up.
BQ

The way my instructor explained it to me, the term "original" was used in the same context as "original Pakuachang".

[tattooedmonk]

I am not going to take the time to check, BUT, I am fairly certain that M. Hiang lists those on his site. Given that they are sperated from each other's schools, it really doesn't make sense that M. Hiang would require his students to learn those Bird forms if his brother made them up.

I was just going to post this , thanks!

[tattooedmonk]

I'll talk to my instructor too. I believe that I was told that they were among the oldest forms we have so there is apparently some mis-communication and/or inconsistencly in the history.

Frankly I'm shocked and appalled that there would be these issues with our history! Maybe I should quit!

So I guess "Original" in this sense would mean these are some of the oldest forms taught within Shaolin Do.

[tattooedmonk]

They were first taught (to my knowledge) to a handful of BB's in 79 or so as a gift from GMS....they were not part of curriculum at that time.....original in parenthesis means it came directly from the temple......GMS didn't make them up.
BQ

[bodhi warrior]

They were first taught (to my knowledge) to a handful of BB's in 79 or so as a gift from GMS....they were not part of curriculum at that time.....original in parenthesis means it came directly from the temple......GMS didn't make them up.
BQ

I'm not trying to be a smart a@# when I ask this, but why are those the only 3 that are singled out as original?

[tattooedmonk]

I'm not trying to be a smart a@# when I ask this, but why are those the only 3 that are singled out as original?

Probably because they are some of the "Original " forms that were developed and taught within the Shaolin system. The other ones were developed later. Just what I was told.It also gives a sense of authenticity.

[MasterKiller]

They were first taught (to my knowledge) to a handful of BB's in 79 or so as a gift from GMS....they were not part of curriculum at that time.....original in parenthesis means it came directly from the temple......GMS didn't make them up.
BQ

So these are the only forms he didn't make up?

[tattooedmonk]

So these are the only forms he didn't make up?

What??No these are just much older and among the "original" sets taught within the Shaolin System

[Judge Pen]

So these are the only forms he didn't make up?

Nah, there are lots of forms he didn't make up, hua, tai chi, pa kua, hsing ie, 5 animal form.

Of course you're rebuttal will be that these are the only forms he didn't make up or steal.

And my rebuttal will be, no proof he could have learned these forms in Indonesia as they are fairly well known.

And your rebuttal will be, really, why no photos of Ie.

And I'll say "don't know, maybe Ie prefered to have his picture painted"

And you'll say, "White Earp sent me pictures"

And I'll say, "Haven't seen them yet"

And you'll say

Well, you get the idea....

[MasterKiller]

The way Baqualin phrased that implied he made up everything else. I was just asking for clarification.

[Baqualin]

I'm not trying to be a smart a@# when I ask this, but why are those the only 3 that are singled out as original?

The only three forms in that group of seminars that came directly from the temple and not through the temple.