Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Baqualin]

Yeah... have you noticed though that material in SD that is found elsewhere is more often than not that way?

I have noticed that with every school, every style, everybody.....the same difference occurs between our schools...it was very obvious this weekend at our tourney....it's a difference in teachers.......everybody is different....it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.......GT made the point that he could watch someone do a form from SD & tell you who their teacher is........I've seen better Hua from SD students.....I went back and looked at all the clips from that school...the Chen clips I saw were not impressive at all...to me....that doesn't mean I do it better...just different.
BQ

[sean_stonehart]

I have noticed that with every school, every style, everybody.....the same difference occurs between our schools...it was very obvious this weekend at our tourney....it's a difference in teachers.......everybody is different....it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.......GT made the point that he could watch someone do a form from SD & tell you who their teacher is........I've seen better Hua from SD students.....I went back and looked at all the clips from that school...the Chen clips I saw were not impressive at all...to me....that doesn't mean I do it better...just different.
BQ

True & ST should be able to do that.

But to avoid beating the same dead horse hopefully, should Chen TJQ look/act/move/express/etc... like SD or like the Chen Village teachers who have done only one thing their entire life? Honestly... who's right in this? The people who carry because it's their legacy & teach it as such, or somebody who has a form or two saying "it's played this way, they only pretty it up & dumb it down" (Yes I've heard that statement, not those word, but that sentiment from wearer(s) of the candycane belt while in China)

[Baqualin]

True & ST should be able to do that.

But to avoid beating the same dead horse hopefully, should Chen TJQ look/act/move/express/etc... like SD or like the Chen Village teachers who have done only one thing their entire life? Honestly... who's right in this? The people who carry because it's their legacy & teach it as such, or somebody who has a form or two saying "it's played this way, they only pretty it up & dumb it down" (Yes I've heard that statement, not those word, but that sentiment from wearer(s) of the candycane belt while in China)

That's easy....like the Chen village TEACHERS....Chen Tai Chi is Chen Tai Chi, not SD Tai Chi........have you seen GMS do Chen 83
BQ

[brucereiter]

True & ST should be able to do that.

But to avoid beating the same dead horse hopefully, should Chen TJQ look/act/move/express/etc... like SD or like the Chen Village teachers who have done only one thing their entire life? Honestly... who's right in this? The people who carry because it's their legacy & teach it as such, or somebody who has a form or two saying "it's played this way, they only pretty it up & dumb it down" (Yes I've heard that statement, not those word, but that sentiment from wearer(s) of the candycane belt while in China)

hi sean,

take chen xiao wang and chen zhong li as a example. look at their xin jia 83 form. they both express it very differently then look at chen yu. very very different expression. now look at Feng Zhiqiang and his expression all of these men are related to and or learned from chen fake directly or indirectly.

to add to that just type "chen xin jia taijiquan" into google video search and notice all of the variations of the same form ... which one is "correct" which one is "real"


and here for your entertainment is my expression of part of the xin jia form
http://youtube.com/watch?v=15ZKEig-Osw
not saying this is how it is "supposed to be" its just how i understand it :-)

best,

bruce

[Baqualin]

hi sean,

take chen xiao wang and chen zhong li as a example. look at their xin jia 83 form. they both express it very differently then look at chen yu. very very different expression. now look at Feng Zhiqiang and his expression all of these men are related to and or learned from chen fake directly or indirectly.

to add to that just type "chen xin jia taijiquan" into google video search and notice all of the variations of the same form ... which one is "correct" which one is "real"


and here for your entertainment is my expression of part of the xin jia form
http://youtube.com/watch?v=15ZKEig-Osw
not saying this is how it is "supposed to be" its just how i understand it :-)

best,

bruce

Absolutely correct...this is what I meant by everybody is different....Sean, may be talking about the principles of Chen Tai Chi....which all of the above follow, but not all of our students or students from other styles...as I have seen and I'm sure you have also in your travels
BQ

[sean_stonehart]

Absolutely correct...this is what I meant by everybody is different....Sean, may be talking about the principles of Chen Tai Chi....which all of the above follow, but not all of our students or students from other styles...as I have seen and I'm sure you have also in your travels
BQ

... you may have something there...

Oh I have seen ST do a piece of Chen, I've seen him do Yang on the KTV tapes... I've seen him do alot of things. I still same the same thing now as then. I don't want to get by him, but...

[Shaolin Wookie]

You trailed off there, man. Come again?

[Judge Pen]

... you may have something there...

Oh I have seen ST do a piece of Chen, I've seen him do Yang on the KTV tapes... I've seen him do alot of things. I still same the same thing now as then. I don't want to get by him, but...

Did you mean to say "I still thinksame the same thing now as then. I don't want to get hitby him, but..."

I'm guessing I know what comes after the "but..."

[sean_stonehart]

Did you mean to say "I still thinksame the same thing now as then. I don't want to get hitby him, but..."

I'm guessing I know what comes after the "but..."

Yeah... ok... pretty good on all 3... JP for the win in playing grammatical guessing & fill in the blank

[Baqualin]

Did you mean to say "I still thinksame the same thing now as then. I don't want to get hitby him, but..."

I'm guessing I know what comes after the "but..."

....and that's the truth

[kwaichang]

Well after all the argueing this past weekend confirms even more so the SD link to the Shaolin Temples of Old. I am totally convinced even more than I was before that SD is the real deal. KC

[Yao Sing]

Why is it you guys can never share all that proof positive evidence?

Wasn't it you that was going to take a list of questions to Sin The? Then you claimed you did ask him the questions and was completely convinced by the answers but could not reveal them to the public.

Don't be surprised when nobody believes you.

[Shaolin Wookie]

Why is it you guys can never share all that proof positive evidence?
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It's only for the in-door students....LOL........

I've seen things from both sides, and see in it its Shaolin heritage, as well as its Indonesian kuntao/silat side.

[kwaichang]

It's a personal thing man , and I did ask the questions but there was so much depth to the answers I couldnt recall it all. Also , I dont care if anyone believes me I just thought I would share what I thought about the seminar. Nothing to prove. KC

[sean_stonehart]

Well after all the argueing this past weekend confirms even more so the SD link to the Shaolin Temples of Old. I am totally convinced even more than I was before that SD is the real deal. KC

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