Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[sean_stonehart]

Nothing's "iffy" about it except the extent of Yue Fei's involvment. Some sources of Hsing Ie also attribute their art as developed by Yue Fei as well. He seems to be a popular figure to attribute the origins of a style to.

Note, I'm not debating the lineage of Ying Jow or Hsing Ie. Just noting that Yue Fei gets a lot of credit.

Nah... I'm asking about "iffy" in his comment.

You're right though... Yue Fei gets lots of credit on things.

[MasterKiller]

The thing about the Chinese jujitsu, though, is that in China why would they call it Chinese jujitsu? He could certainly be teaching some sort of Chin Na, and he could just be using the term for convenience, but you would think a legitimate Chinese system STILL IN CHINA would have a Chinese name.

[Baqualin]

The thing about the Chinese jujitsu, though, is that in China why would they call it Chinese jujitsu? He could certainly be teaching some sort of Chin Na, and he could just be using the term for convenience, but you would think a legitimate Chinese system STILL IN CHINA would have a Chinese name.

Makes since to me MK
BQ

[Citong Shifu]

When I spoke of CSCs I wasn't referring to Atlanta CSCs - sorry for any confusion.

Overall, the CSCs that I have seen are well run (i.e. professional). It's just that the politics get in the way of martial arts instruction and can ruin the experience which they shouldn't.

KC - can you offer any info on the chinese origins of jujitsu (websites etc)? Thanks!

How do people fall into these kinds of schools (CSC)? Especially, parents who let their children attend. I can see the like minded getting off on this but not the everyday person with logic to see their behavior and mannerism. You wouldn't have to tell me twice, I'd be gone. Anyway, cant figure it out... Oh well.

[The Willow Sword]

Sounds like Sean was burned by SD or someone in it much like WS KC

i wasnt really "Burned" By SD, persay. If anything, SD dissapointed me to the core when i discovered the fabrication in the lineage. If i was "Burned" at all by anything SD it was Joe Shaefer(just reiderating to KC since he decided to comment about it)


just for the record, before i decided to leave SD, i had done my research and found what i did regarding the su kong pics,and in being convinced of the lineage fabrication, and incorporating that into how i felt about the whole challenge situation and the shakey support i was given by joe and then the backing out at the last minute. I began to realize two important things about MY time at SD.

One is that in order to maintain your business(when you decide to put money priorities over honor, integrity and support of your loyals) you have to at least maintain a certain amount of neutrality with your competition in the area so that you do not create any undue animosity.

TWO: when you have a student, no matter how dedicated that student is to you and the school, if you dont like him personally or he is not the personality or ego that you really connect with, then it is quite easy to do subtle and passive things to get that student to leave rather than being upfront and asking him to leave because he is not wanted there(again this goes back to putting money priorities over honor integrity etc etc).
I seems weird though that i had been given all this responsability there at the school, at one time, yet i was kept from quite a bit of the extra-curricular activities(demos at tourneys and such). It is why,in retrospect,i felt like i was taken advantage of and USED until i could hardly do anything anymore and it showed with others, the losing of too much weight and just looking like i was overworked.
It was one of the main reasons why i moved in late 2000 to new mexico to try and teach SD out there(LOL what a BS trip that was). I needed the rest and recouperation and i had always wanted to teach on my own,yet i was NEVER Officially given any document stating that i was a "TEACHER", just a word of mouth by Joe that i could. No advice,No real Mentoring, no real connection other than an employer and employee relationship,which in my opinion, is NOT how a student and teacher relationship should be, even if he is employed with you).
Anyway i am rambling,sorry bout that i could go on in detail about stuff. had to get it out of the noodle.

Peace,TWS

[bodhi warrior]

so how did you come to realize the lineage was fabricated? Did you find proof?

[Yao Sing]

Isn't the whole Su Kong picture thing in this thread or was that another thread before it all consolidated into this one?

I still say face recognition software would an interesting way to compare the photos but I just don't knnow anyone with access to such. I did find one I was going to download but would prefer to use a working system.

I even thought about sending the pics to one of the leading developers and see if they would return the results.

Anyone reading this have access to face recognition?

[kwaichang]

So if we are going to theorize, perhaps the Beijing Circus used a pic of Soo Kong Tai Jin for their advertisement. Just a thought since this whole thing is all doubt anyway. That would throw a monkey wrench in it right ?? also If Eagle Claw did not come from YUe Fei then it isnt legit either. man he sure did alot for a man who was killed at 39 years old. KC

[Judge Pen]

Wish me luck this weekend. I'm testing........

[BentMonk]

Wish me luck this weekend. I'm testing........

"Belt mean no need rope to hold up pants." - Mr. Myagi

j/k Best of luck to you sir. I'm sure you'll do well. Please tell SMM hello for me.

[brucereiter]

Wish me luck this weekend. I'm testing........

breath! just another practice session, with a whole bunch of people watching you :-)

enjoy

[Yao Sing]

So if we are going to theorize, perhaps the Beijing Circus used a pic of Soo Kong Tai Jin for their advertisement. Just a thought since this whole thing is all doubt anyway. That would throw a monkey wrench in it right ??

Why would they use Su Kong's picture when they already had a hairy man? You're not really making sense although I do realize that's your point. It just isn't working.

Good luck JP.

[kwaichang]

If you were a hairy guy and everybody saw you as a freak would you want your pic taken, well I wouldnt. Maybe that is why. Its all speculation anyway. KC

[kwaichang]

Or perhaps SKTJ didnt want his pic taken and Maser Ie saw LI bao Shu's pic and said that looks something like him I'll use that as a pic of SKTJ WHO CARES ANY WAY, little did he know a thing called th computer would develope so many geeks. KC

[MasterKiller]

Wish me luck this weekend. I'm testing........

Good luck, broham. This is for 4th black, correct?