Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Judge Pen]

Chiballsoffire wasnt it you who were going to a seminar at Rusty Grays in Nashville ? That really takes away from your credibility if you have any. Dont talk to me about Conmen if you go there for lessons. You want the truth then you ask him we apparantly dont have the answers you seek. KC BTW if you are in Nashville I will be glad to work out with you if you promise to be gentle haha

Do you mean Grandmaster Gray has a first name? I was speaking to a student in Nashville who meant Grandmaster Gray and that was how he introduced himself to someone that he never met. That's a bit offputting. Say what you what about GM The', he's as humble and down to earth in person as anyone I've met.

[MasterKiller]

MK actually doesn't care that much about this issue. But it's the most active thread on this board and keeps him amused at work.

[Judge Pen]

This thread keeps me amused at work to, but your contribution to it is beneficial and welcome even if I don't agree with you.

[sean_stonehart]

This thread keeps me amused at work to, but your contribution to it is beneficial and welcome even if I don't agree with you.

But you didn't speak of yourself in the cool 3rd person like MK did there. That was amusing in itself...

[Yao Sing]

Who's to say he DOESN'T have something signed by Ie that names him grandmaster? Do you know he doesn't have that document?

I'm sure you don't see how ridiculous this sounds or you wouldn't say it but why would he offer up a lesser document to back up his claim?

I can claim Bruce Lee named me the GM of JKD before he died and you can't prove I don't have the document proving it can you? It could be hidden somewhere in my closet right?

MK actually doesn't care that much about this issue. But it's the most active thread on this board and keeps him amused at work.

Pretty much same here but I do think some of the BS in CMA needs to do cleaned up and this thread seems to be actively attempting to do so as ar as SD goes. Plus I think it would really shake things up if there's some provable truth behind some of these claims.

So I agitate sometimes for 2 reasons - get the truth out and to get this thread to 500 pages, or infinity and beyond!

[Judge Pen]

But you didn't speak of yourself in the cool 3rd person like MK did there. That was amusing in itself...

I guess MK's cooler then me.

[Judge Pen]

I'm sure you don't see how ridiculous this sounds or you wouldn't say it but why would he offer up a lesser document to back up his claim?

I can claim Bruce Lee named me the GM of JKD before he died and you can't prove I don't have the document proving it can you? It could be hidden somewhere in my closet right?



Pretty much same here but I do think some of the BS in CMA needs to do cleaned up and this thread seems to be actively attempting to do so as ar as SD goes. Plus I think it would really shake things up if there's some provable truth behind some of these claims.

So I agitate sometimes for 2 reasons - get the truth out and to get this thread to 500 pages, or infinity and beyond!

As I've said, I've seen a transcription of a letter reportedly from Master Ie to GM The' which would validate the promotion to 10th if true. Interestingly, this letter is not validated by Master The' or anyone in his camp. It references Master Ie's travels, GM The's promotion, and the rumored familial relationship between Master Ie and the The brothers (which Master Hiang advoctes and Master The' denies). If the contents of the letter are true, then it would serve as some validation of the promotion. I have doubts because the origin of the letter (it was provided, to my knowledge, by one of Hiang's students and reposted here ages ago), but it does reference three "treasures" that Master Ie gave to Master The': One being Master Ie's pipe, which I've seen with my own eyes.

It may be that the letter is fake. It may be that it is true. At this point its all interesting supposition since I've never seen the actual letter, had it idenpendantly translated etc.

[mkriii]

This thread keeps getting funnier each day. Well I have a letter from Dr Massaki Hatsumi that says that I'm going to be the 35th generation Gradmaster of his lineage of Ninjutsu. I even have a personal shuriken of his to prove that this is an authentic letter that only he wrote.

[mkriii]

Well first off I do interact and post with other people that do my style. My style is Sil Lum Kung Fu which is the Cantonese pronounciation of Shaolin. We use the term Sil Lum instead of Shaolin because we do not wish to be associated with a bogus art such as Shaolin Do Karate, espacially since we are in the same town as "grandmaster" Sin The'. Being associated with that organization is bad for business.

[Judge Pen]

Well first off I do interact and post with other people that do my style. My style is Sil Lum Kung Fu which is the Cantonese pronounciation of Shaolin. We use the term Sil Lum instead of Shaolin because we do not wish to be associated with a bogus art such as Shaolin Do Karate, espacially since we are in the same town as "grandmaster" Sin The'. Being associated with that organization is bad for business.

And trying to discredit SD is probably good for your business, no?

[sean_stonehart]

Well first off I do interact and post with other people that do my style. My style is Sil Lum Kung Fu which is the Cantonese pronounciation of Shaolin. We use the term Sil Lum instead of Shaolin because we do not wish to be associated with a bogus art such as Shaolin Do Karate, espacially since we are in the same town as "grandmaster" Sin The'. Being associated with that organization is bad for business.

An example of interaction... From the Dragon's List

from the dragon's list...
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training exercises
I was wanting to get some suggestions from people on some traditional training/conditioning exercises like what you would see in the old kung fu movies. I plan on using some of these with my students so that they don't get bored with the same ole' exercised. I'm looking for conditioning and training exercises. For example, I was planning on the conditioning exercise where the student gets in a push up position and he holds that while an inscent stick is burning under his chest (if he drops it would burn him). Another one was doing push ups on the back of thier wrists. If anyone knows of any off the wall stuff like this please post it. Thanks.
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Pain is temporary pride is forever.

Welcome to the fire... it was safer in the frying pan...

[mkriii]

I don't have to discredit SD, it does that all on its own. I mean come on....an art using japanese uniforms and japanese terms, claiming to teach a chinese art by a man from indonesia. It doesn't take a mental heavyweight to figure this one out. Besides I have a brown belt from Sin The'. I got it back in the early 80's. I know what he teaches. I think that gives me the right to say what I think and know to be true about SD.

[mkriii]

I know that when I studied under him you could not make ANY contact when sparring. He taught Japanese weapons such as the nunchucks and sai. Whats up with that? We have a saying....Sin us the money and you can Hiang your diploma on the wall. Funny huh?

[Judge Pen]

I hear a very large axe being grinded.

Tell me, mkriii, do you know Frank Sexton?

Or can you tell me about the deadly vibrating palm technique!

[mkriii]

why do you ask? What does Frank Sexton have to do with this discussion? Or vibrating palms? Frank Sexton is with Ng family not Shaolin Do.