Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Baqualin]

Man did this thread go downhill. I didn't think it could get worse but I was wrong.

Anyhow, like I said before Karate peeps don't use jow when conditioning. Probably gets the makiwara all soaked and mushy.

I don't know why other than hearing that they were copying what they saw and never learned about the jow. Also heard the Chinese intentionally withheld that knowledge when teaching any Japanese.

AFAIK this is common knowledge in the Karate world, I thought the MA world in general but I guess it never reached the SD crowd. Before I got into Chinese arts I played some TKD, Shotokan and Kenpo Karate and never knew about the jow.

I also did some conditioning without it breaking boards (thin ones, nothing impressive) with my fingertips and patio blocks with my wrist. Didn't do it for a long time though so I can't speak to any long term damage.

Mike Reeves holds the record for the most consecutive boards broken and I don't think he uses any jow. I don't know for sure though but I'll try to remember to ask him next time I see him.

Here he talks about conditioning with no mention of any liniment.

So yes, Goju is correct when it comes to Karate conditioning exercises although I don't claim to be any kind of expert on it. I suspect if any of them do use jow it's a fairly recent addition.

His other claims about diet and such are all his and I know nothing about any of that stuff. You can agree or disagree all you want about benefits of jow for conditioning but the bottom line is he's just passing along info as he knows it so I don't see why he's getting crap for that issue.

I don't think most are questioning that Karate doesn't use jow.....it's just his attitude and the fact he's a idiot....and yes this thread has gone way down hill....childest.......

On another note when we first starting striking the makiwara years ago it was made of redwood so it was soft...we didn't use jow...as we moved into more intense training (oak & other things) we started with the jow. Now if you take it to deformation of joints as some Karate and even some Chinese practioneers do, well it's obvious that's not good. Everybody knows the Chinese master that carries a steel plate around with him beating on it........his knuckles stick out 2 inches....that's fuked up
BQ

[Yao Sing]

Yep, Mike's hands are nasty looking. He has trouble writing. Personally I wouldn't do but he's into the whole Guiness Book of World Records and all.

I'll see if I can find video of his record attempts. He did one recently here (his school is in Apopka, FL for you local guys) and he basically uses his hand like a club and just whacks each stack of boards and quickly moves to the next stack. Some break clean through, others topple over unbroken.

Afterward his hand looked like hamburger. I'm sure he uses something on it in the days following so it heals somewhat. But like I said, I don't know for sure that he doesn't use jow but I really don't think he does. If I'm in his school are any time soon I'll stop in and find out.

But that's my point, they use brute force and tough it out. I prefer the Chinese method myself. So Goju is correct in what he's telling you guys. He's just guilty of telling it in a way that irritates you guys.

[Facepalm]

you send a private message make sure you have something to say. COWARD

was that directed at me

I only was trying to show you that it was easy to find more info based off of the link you posted......

Im sorry If I offended

[kwaichang]

Couldnt do it could you Goju could you , you said you would stay away but couldnt I know who you are and feel "itistime for you to leave"
Willow Sword

[kwaichang]

If you arent WS then I appologize to him. But I dont think I would dissapoint you heck I wouldnt dissapoint you in a sparring match even now without being 100%. KC

[kwaichang]

http://www.okinawabudokai.org/files/..._June_2007.pdf

Goju has been ill trained as this letter from the above site talks of the use of liniments before and after Makiwara training. Another miss by Goju KC

[goju]

im not running around teaching am i petunia?

[Baqualin]

Couldnt do it could you Goju could you , you said you would stay away but couldnt I know who you are and feel "itistime for you to leave"
Willow Sword

Willow has never hid behind another name and I Don't think he would...besides I think he has made peace with his self.
BQ

[goju]

Not all of them were masters. I have been studying since I was 9 So I have about 29 years experience.I learned multiple things from multiple people and thought I would give them the due credit and respect that they deserve.

Mr I learned from my uncle and he learned from ??????? and I can only try to make fun of others so that I can try and cover up all of my problems

hey i dont know of some of those people you leraned from or supposedly learned from either dose that mean they dont exist would expect you to know sung cho millions od people didnt hell i never met him lol

[goju]

Willow has never hid behind another name and I Don't think he would...besides I think he has made peace with his self.
BQ

seriously guys im not any other poster from before lol

[goju]

http://www.okinawabudokai.org/files/..._June_2007.pdf

Goju has been ill trained as this letter from the above site talks of the use of liniments before and after Makiwara training. Another miss by Goju KC

nope sorry like yao said if they use liniments its a new thing not a traditional one

[tattooedmonk]

was that directed at me

I only was trying to show you that it was easy to find more info based off of the link you posted......

Im sorry If I offended

No , I got one from the douche bag at the same time.

[goju]

Yep, Mike's hands are nasty looking. He has trouble writing. Personally I wouldn't do but he's into the whole Guiness Book of World Records and all.

I'll see if I can find video of his record attempts. He did one recently here (his school is in Apopka, FL for you local guys) and he basically uses his hand like a club and just whacks each stack of boards and quickly moves to the next stack. Some break clean through, others topple over unbroken.

Afterward his hand looked like hamburger. I'm sure he uses something on it in the days following so it heals somewhat. But like I said, I don't know for sure that he doesn't use jow but I really don't think he does. If I'm in his school are any time soon I'll stop in and find out.

But that's my point, they use brute force and tough it out. I prefer the Chinese method myself. So Goju is correct in what he's telling you guys. He's just guilty of telling it in a way that irritates you guys.

these guys just want to try to argue with me about every little thing to try to "discredit" me some how lmao

[tattooedmonk]

hey i dont know of some of those people you leraned from or supposedly learned from either dose that mean they dont exist would expect you to know sung cho millions od people didnt hell i never met him lol

then you shouldnt go spouting off then should you??Once again , if you took the time to research then you would know who these peole are , now wouldnt you???

[Baqualin]

seriously guys im not any other poster from before lol

I believe you.