Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[One student]

[QUOTE=tattooedmonk;944336]We were talking about the single ended staff form. Thats all[/QUOTe

Sorry. That's one must have come out in my long hiatus. To further demonstrate my ignorance: what is a single ended staff? And while you're at it, who first taught it, and when, if I may ask?

[Facepalm]

The single ended staff or white waxwood staff or kuen is just a spear shaft without the spear head.

I guess its like beginner spear for brown belts

[Facepalm]

You can also use the skinny end more like a staff whereas with a spear head you might break it off if say you wacked at somebodies foot and missed.

Your supposed to sharpen the skinny end though so you can stab with it

[goju]

I would say you probably can’t defend yourself properly from a side you feel "uncomfortable" with. You can only attack your opponents weak side if they train in a similar method that you do... dominant side forward. This would make their left side which is naturally more uncoordinated their weak side because they never train it.

Now, you may get lucky against the average Joe or a lesser experience fighter but if you're lucky enough to cross hands with someone who knows what they are doing... you're gonna get picked apart. You don't have to be psychic either because here is how it would go down. They're gonna start tagging that lead leg and if you're a good fighter you'll check it... but I'm betting you won't. So eventually that lead leg starts to hurt and your body's natural reaction is to pull it back to protect it. Your opponent will likely notice and come in with a few combos to test the waters. When you start flailing that left hand around trying to block his attacks...... he'll know he's got your number

no like i said the majority of people including fighters martial artist etc etc are right handed and they keep there right back and their left forward exposing their weak side
if you stay on that side you cant take them apart easier its actually an old boxing technique you never circle into your opponent power hand
oh lord here we go with another guy who thinks he knows somethingthere is no way to know wether your opponent has his power side forward or back however most peopel fight with their power hand back. youd be suprised the wierd look you get in boxing gyms when you say your a right handed southpaw

in fact one of the guys here sparred with me with my power side forward and i wasnt picked apart

[goju]

Hey, we agree on something! I love you goju....one armed- man hug.

LOL BOUT TIME!!
your semi normal ill give you that jk

[goju]

Lmao!!!

No Sh!t.

Unbelievable.

Lets see guys who have doing it under ten years combined or guys that have been doing it for over 60 yrs combined....HMMMM?

yeah but thats sixty years of doing it wrong combined with ten years of doing it right lol

[goju]

and i feel uncomfortable stance wise i my left hand and leg is only slightly weaker than the right
and and for you theory to work they have to be able to hit me first

i dont check kicks being that i beleive thats a stupid thing to do
i jam or move out of the way usually the latter goju ryus elusive we dont meet force with force as a thai boxer would check a kick we move out of kicking range in fact thats what tai sabaki(body evasion) is for

[shen ku]

i have always been taught the "kaw" on the birds,,,, one of my teachers was out from under master green and the other was stright from GMS.....

[shen ku]

oh and i have been doing the "kaw" since 1986 or 1987?

[Judge Pen]

I know that several forms have sounds included in them. My current teacher doesn't emphasize them. My first teacher taught them (but not on Lou Tien).

I wonder how common animal sounds in forms is in other Chinese (or Indonesian blended Chinese) martial arts?

[One student]

Are you referring to "Se Pa Kun" the 4/8 Staff form taught in 2nd to 1st brown?

Circa 1974-75 MH showed/taught/?? EML & EMS the 3 SL Birds on the farm.
the sound he used sounded like " Kaaaaaaaaaaaaa. (almost like an eagle screaming as it would swoop down on its prey) ie Decend from Heaven. Sometimes MH would refer to the form as a Giant Eagle attack frm the sky

Just my $ 0.02 IMHO
OTD

On my set of notes GMS gave out when they first taught out Se Pa Kuen and Hai Loong Chang, he drew a "rough" picture of the staff intended for Se Pa Kuen, and it did taper. Can't really remember though it being referred to as a "single ended staff" though. But that was 20 years ago. I've always done it with a regular bo anyway. Still not remembering any reverse bow "na" postions, although some forward bow, side bow (?), cross leg, and even loose "sparring stance" na's. Like we said, things do seem to evolve, right or wrong, depending on the teacher -- and one's own memory.

Vaguely remembering when Birds first taught, to the "public," maybe an "optional," kind of like "you can do this here if you want" kind of thing, on the sound. And I guess it would be a "kaw" rather than a squawk (like Liu Hsing?).

Funny how discussion brings back forgotten memories.

[One student]

i have always been taught the "kaw" on the birds,,,, one of my teachers was out from under master green and the other was stright from GMS.....

I also was with M Green when Birds taught out, and I got them directly from MHT, worked with him (MBG) in and out of his class with them. I was also teaching my own class when they first became part of the mandatory rank advancement material. No sounds included. Must have been 83-86, when I had my school. Also have tape made in mid 80's, EML demo'ing Birds. No sounds. As opposed to Hsing Ie Linking Form, with "laughing/taunting" sound, on same tape. I'm really curious as to how that got started (and where I missed it).

[tattooedmonk]

Are these notes in Chinese with the English translation, like what is given out at the seminars now??

[kwaichang]

Off the sub, Look at WuDang Leg Skill at You tube tell me what you think KC

[tattooedmonk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPHyD-8opnY