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I know about your situation well KC and understand where your coming from.....the teaching Terr. was set up to protect teachers working an area and you happen to be in an area that's already been locked up for a while.....as far as the training part that's another story....I see where your coming from....but you also know the circumstances involved......also keep in mine that the doors of your school are open to any of GMS students from anywhere....also if you want to work out with someone keep it to yourself...your time is your time and no one has the right to tell you who to be friends with. Your also lucky.......knowing your teacher, you have the original way things have been taught for over 40 years and GMS has made no significant changes regardless of what people say.....he told me himself (I will not mention names) that he teaches certain people things and the next time he sees them they are not doing it the way he showed them.....now there are a few forms that have been taught slightly different at other schools and when I ask him I was told to listen to my teacher, because he has the most details.
BQ
I dont agree but, I understand .
The uniforms (GI)and the name (DO) bring up a red flag to most and it doesnt just close the door but locks it for many, no matter what the content of the art is. Most people can not get past this, I do not care, I wear both one for internal and one for external.
What is wrong with changing the name and uniforms to make it more marketable as a Chinese Martial Art?
It is a Chinese Martial Art, no matter if it came directly from china or indonesia or wherever The Chinese have adopted sams to make distinction between what they do and other martial arts.
They used to be their regular clothes.
Master Ie changed it , what is wrong with it being changed again??
I see it as the evolution of the art.
I see where the Masters that I mentioned are doing it to get more people to practice the art and eliminate any further questions or doubts based on the name and the uniforms and other non intrinsic things.
I also see where by making these changes they are making it more about the art.
Last edited by tattooedmonk; 07-08-2009 at 02:06 PM.
If our art is different then our uniform should be different, I have a design for a uniform that combines the flavor of the Chinese / Shaolin and the durability of the Gi , I feel it should be adopted by all schools. As far as training, I want to be welcome anywhere not ousted due to petty ego or for the Love of money. One EM used to treat my child like his own now he treats me like an enemy this was after he offered once to let me run one of his schools. Talk about 2 faced, I wouldnt let anyone I know train with him if I had a say so in it. KC YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE111
A Fool is Born every Day !
I agree. I have seen one that is made like a Chinese sam but is made of the same material as a Japanese GI. They are unique and it appears that some of the students in ST are using them.
All of the students under GMT should be able to go anywhere and study with different masters , west or east coast, without any problems or issues coming up.
Master Sin got in trouble once ( probably more than once) when a bunch of us from the CSC Northridge and CSC Phoenix were invited and went to UCSD for the GD broadsword and Praying Mantis WASTP seminar afew years back, All hell broke loose because DS and SS hadnt seen it before and were asked by one of the students about the form.
unbelieveable.!!!
I have mixed feelings about uniforms.
1. Chinese uniforms like the ST branches currently use are far better for exercise, forms, tai chi, etc.
2. After training in BJJ, rolling live, and such, I'm convinced the gi is a far more practical from a sparring standpoint, especially from a throwing, etc. with resistance standpoint. The only downside is that you can sometimes become dependent on a grab or cloth hold that won't be there elsewhere. My Chinese uniform ripped a little up the side with mild contact from a grab. Oh well.
I can see why SD/ST schools have mixed feelings about it, too. But then, I understand both sides. I do think cosmetic appearances are the driving force behind the change. Most days I'm practicing in some skater shoes or Feiyue, some loose fit khakis, and a T-shirt--whatever I'm wearing at hte moment.
I don't practice in a uniform that much of the time (considering my daily practice schedule, while I'm not at the shcool every day).
Doesn't mean that much to me. It'd be really cool to see your design though.
Sounds like you've gotten a raw deal from some politics, KC. Man, that sucks.
I know what you mean, the kindergarden analogy works.
I dont give a rats @$$ about the uniforms either. The GI works . I did applications one night in Tai Chi class wearing the sam..... guys hand got stuck in the pocket, ripped it off havent worn it since , except in my solo practice.
How does the name changing from DO to TAO or using what is recognized as a Chinese uniform make the art different?? I see you contradicted yourself when you commented later in the post about changing the cover.
Do you think any uniform is neccesary???
I agree that the art is different than if it came straight from China . I like the Indonesian flavor.
The schools that changed are getting the most flak from inside the art, not from outside the art, from what I have seen.
I understand your views and respect them. I have never had any problem with you or any other SD/ ST / CSC people here and do not want any.
I just came here to talk a little and stir it up so we can have something to talk about.
Thats all .
Its good to know how people really feel, rather than a bunch of PC Bull Sh!T
I will always be loyal to Master Sin and the Art first and foremost.
And no matter what you might think or believe you know about me I like and respect all you guys and feel as if we are all brothers !!
Let me ask this in closing, is it or would it be worth changing the name( slightly) and the uniforms to insure that future generations can and will teach and practice the art??
BINGO............your baiting me on this one TT.....the only thing I will say is this is not coming from SD
Parting words...It's our policy now not to worry about what the other non SD schools are doing. .....I don't always personally agree with everything politically that goes on at this school and at the same time I don't give a sh!t about that stuff.....the pecking order here has been well established for years and I could care less.....all the classes are taught by EM & Masters only.....I feel very lucky to be here at this time....it's better than it's ever been.
BQ
I know its not.
Too bad that any of this stuff is an issue.
Like you said it is all ego and money driven, in most cases.
The order is what it is based on time, effort and loyalty etc.
You are lucky to have the school that you do and the opportunity to learn from many masters in the same school.
I wish the rest of us were that fortunate.
We haven't changed anything and the schools doing great along with other SD schools in the area...lots of Masters in this part of the country...quite a few young ones....I plan on teaching till I die....one thing that is evolving in SD is the Internal program.....it's growing pretty good......on another note who knows what the next fad will be....martian wu maybe
BQ
Final note (I got to get to sleep)
Evolution of an art is in ones self not any one school .....a school with a teacher that has great skills and the ability to transmit that to students along with being a good people & business person will get plenty of students and be successful...no matter the uniform (or no uniform) the name or style
BQ
Last edited by Baqualin; 07-08-2009 at 10:48 PM.
Hey old & used...I was just poking fun at you....I liked John....worked with his wife for a little while....hell of a fighter...even went to some of his classes in the late 70's didn't like the changes he made.....took away the circles.....something you don't want to lose in CMA
No worries, buddy. I took no offense. Thought it was kind of funny, actually.
Like a previous poster said, even though I may not be in SD with you guys any longer, SD has been a major influence on me and my life since 1970. I cannot see anything as a single art surpassing SD and I would not change or wish to turn my back on SD or anyone that is met while practicing SD. That goes for EML/John/etc. Went through way too much to just blank that out. I know a lot has been done and said, but the bottom line is I would still have any of you guys back in the street.
I can say the same.....a major influence on me and my life...I feel it has made me a better person.....GM Sin & EML have always been there for me anytime I've needed support....even with personal things outside of the school.......EML has really mellowed out down through the years and has really made the gym like a big family again.
Thanks for your kind words regarding SD....we really do care about our people....past and present.
BQ
Do any of you believe/ think SD is a hybrid art?
If so, what of the Indonesian elements do you think gives it the flavor it has??
If not ,why??
Do you believe that the art as it was developing was influenced by other asian arts??
If so or if not , what did or did nt influence it??
(not talking about the gi ,terminology or the belt ranking system.)