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Thread: Is Shaolin-Do for real?

  1. Chi Hsiao Foo / Je Siau Fu was a respectful Shandong kungfu teacher who was very prominent warrior in Indonesia. Some of his student are very well known in Jakarta or Bandung.
    Chi Hsio Foo only accepted a little number of student who really taught directly by him. If GM Sin The was his student, i think the northern tang lang system was from him. I have heard that 10 teachers were the teacher of their school.

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    and once again it is a ghost town
    ...or is there something i have missed a glimpse of phantoms in the mist. Traveling down a dusty road bent forward with this heavy load..

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    Food for thought

    Some things I have come across lately that may be of interest to SD likers and non-likers:

    1. In at least one of Bruce Frantzis' ("Energy Arts") books on Chi Kung/Qui Gong training, which he claimed to have learned after years of resident study in China, he describes chi kung and meditation methods, and notes (not verbatim quoting), the techniques particular to Shaolin practitioners in breathing meditation to result in "vibration" or involuntary shaking of the body. Any one who's taken GMS' or MH's or SD's breathing meditation classes will find that very familiar.

    2. In the Karate Kid remake (in China, with Jackie Chan), didn't the uniforms worn in the kung fu schools look a lot like gi's?

    3. In a book by Wong Kiew Kit, who refers to his 30 years of practice and teaching of Shaolin, and being 4th generation successor of monk of Shaolin Monastery and Grandmaster of Shaolin Wahnam Kung Fu Institute, and author of "The Art of Shaolin Kung Fu," etc., lists as a "useful" resource, Master Leong Swee Lun, who's school of Bagua, Shaolin, and Taijquan in Malaysia, is called "Hapkung-Do" (which I've also seen spelled "Hapkune-Do").

    Not claiming to know what any of that means, but thought it was interesting. I'm just sayin' . . . .
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    (I'd really like to know all the answers, too, but understanding the questions, like most of my martial arts practice, is a more realistically attainable goal)

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    Wong Kiew Kit also claims to cure people's cancer by using his chi from a thousand miles away.
    Sith Legal Kung Fu is unstoppable.

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    If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.
    Bertrand Russell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherLove View Post
    "Wong Kiew Kit also claims to cure people's cancer by using his chi from a thousand miles away."

    Can you present evidence proving that he can't?
    Great argument you've got there. You should Google "Burden of Proof" sometime.
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    LOL! I like it. Can't wait to see the reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherLove View Post
    Sin Kwang The, Hiang Kwang The and Wong Kiew Kit have the "REAL SHAOLIN"! Everything else is a weakened verson as it has evolved in mainland China.
    Most on this forum wouldn't know or be able to accept the truth if it walked up and bit you right on your huckleberry.
    You forgot about Doo Wai and USSD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherLove View Post
    I didn't forget…I was talking about the Shaolin Real Deal.
    Yeah, it was a joke because I assumed you were joking, too.

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    I think this thread could use some gaying up.

    so...




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    and of course

    我不知道。我不能读中国。

    - Don't bother demanding respect. You'll get less. Earn respect through what you do, you get more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherLove View Post
    I give up! I have tried a couple of times to re-stoke the fire here but I feel like I'm trying to burn wet wood. Reading this thread (yeah I actually read every post) has been great fun and often even informative…but I think both sides of the argument are resigned to let it die. So Goodbye Old Friend!
    You give up?
    with only 13 tries?

    You are NOT worthy.
    Leave your 6 red stripe yellow sash on the table by the door as you LEAVE!!!


    我不知道。我不能读中国。

    - Don't bother demanding respect. You'll get less. Earn respect through what you do, you get more.

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    i love how a lot of the times we all talk bad about this or that art, really run it down, and then we find a lot of times people who have material from each others arts.. i love it
    ...or is there something i have missed a glimpse of phantoms in the mist. Traveling down a dusty road bent forward with this heavy load..

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    Quote Originally Posted by shen ku View Post
    I asked about using your skills because i am always using mine in one way or another.. but i find its not often that i use actual fighting skills?? I always find it interesting that most people don't talk about the "other" benefits of training or should i say quality training , depending on what that means to you.lol..

    Most people if they just watch what they do and where they go hardly ever need to fight... i have had to use some skills on the job but i work in the psych field so you just never know how some people will react... but?? as for my daily life any time i have ever had to do anything it was just a little something when someone was just curious about training ,, and most of the time the became some form of a student after wards
    Agreed. Tai Chi, Pakua, and just plain ol' exercise are what I'm after these days. They keep my head on straight. At times I'm only into fighting techniques, and at others I just want to keep in shape and work out. MA has that flexibility.

    Also, I've always had an appreciation for Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu (I'm not big on Buddhist Philosophy [It's too puritanical]). Anyways, I find that the anarchist strain of thought in Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu fits my own political-economic viewpoint pretty well--"Laissez Faire, Laissez Passer." I find that the shallow Chuck Norris mentality of self-control ("I'll let that one pass because I'd kill you if I actually punched you") is pretty lame. Self-control is knowing when to let something stupid fly by, and not letting it fly by if it's a matter of principle. Same goes for MA. If someone throws out a ridiculous application or private-MA-fantasy-"move," it's better just to politely point out some of the ridiculous assumptions that this would-be Chuck Norris has made, and then let it go at that.

    Not that I'm looking for justification of ideas through martial arts or anything. It's just a nice blend of mental exercises and physical exercises. Western exercise routines are pure body. You get results, you build a strong base, and you often develop a kind of work ethic to keep up with your routine, but you don't really get mental benefits from that other than egoism. Doing Tai Chi every day really helps you shrug off little things and avoid bickering. I remember that when I used to work out in gyms during college, I was building up a strong base, but I had no idea what I was going to do with it. LOL.

    Seems like 90% of the health crap that people nitpick over in gyms is codeword for: "I need to stay sexy so I can get laid." After a while, you realize that "fit" only means "sexy." Many "fit" people are not model-sexy. (Or am I just justifying my unsexiness? LOL.....)

    Ask a gym nut why he stays in shape, and he'll tell you that it's because he needs to stay in shape because it's healthy, etc. It's certainly not wrong, but it's begging the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brule View Post
    Forgive me for not reading the 880 pages, but Is Shaolin-Do for real?
    What is real shaolin?

    Is it

    1) The gymnastics taught by Communist-Party-appointed monks who practice whatever it is that they do (and it is impressive, even if it isn't Shaolin, and even if it is Communist-appointed)?

    2) The "shaolin-ness" of the stuff "underneath" the gymnastics taught at the temple today?

    3) Anything that's not Shaolin Do?

    4) One of the billion branches of Shaolin taught by whoever-and-his-grandfather-wannabe-shaolin-and-therefore-fudged-his-family-tree-sometime-in-the-indiscriminate-past? (And SD has no monopoly on this one...LOL...)

    5) What you see in the movies?

    6) The most devastating MA in existence?


    The "real" Shaolin is a little like God, but I don't belive in God. Everybody claims to have God, but nobody else has a God quite like their own "original" God---the REAL GOD. Maybe a couple of lineages here and there have bits and pieces of "God" in their Shaolin, or maybe even whole sequences of "God" moves. These "God" moves are the most devastating moves in existence. Even worse: these "God" moves can create even more devastating moves from the non-fabrics of perpetual nonexistence if you just believe in their massively destructive power. Shaolin can create, and Shaolin can destroy. There is only one caveat, and I quote Shaolin 3:16--"Thou shalt have no other Gods before Shaolin. Whoseover believeth in Shaolin shall not perish, but have bragging rights over the ORIGINAL SHAOLIN LINEAGE everlasting."

    Which is the "original" lineage?

    I don't know. Some people think that if you can just find a couple of records somewhere that some nincompoop in the past wrote down, taking dictation from his Master/Chief/Abbot/Pope/King/Emperor/President (surely there is a Shaolin President somewhere, and if there isn't, I'm running for it next year), then de facto we have proof of it.

    Maybe it's because I do research for a living and teach Logic, Grammar, and critical thinking to college students that I just don't have much respect for the theological strain in Shaolin "God"-olatry. It's like Bible-thumping.

    Same big egos. Same stories. Same miracles. Same cult of saints (unless you're a Protestant, in which case you have the cult of historicist interpretation of scripture).
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