Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[brucereiter]

>>>>>>1964 sin kwang the awarded black belt level 5. sin kwang the moved to lexington ky to start college. Same year he starts teaching shaolin in lexington.
1965
1966
1967
1968 ie chang ming awarded sin kwang the 10th degree red belt grandmaster
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more conflicting information... .... ....
recently sin the claimed he was made grand master "level 5" as stated on the rank cert.
but he has also claimed that in 1968 ie chang ming gave him the title grand master.

which is it? was he grand master after coming to the states or before? he has claimed both.

[Lucas]

I wonder how many experience points he needed to reach level 5...

[Syn7]

in all my life i've never heard that before. Gm level 5. Wow.

And who exactly awards this new title? Anyone who admits to lying and making sh1t up is suspect in ALL other things. He has poor integrity and that travels through all facets of his life and anything that comes out of his mouth.

[Syn7]

I wonder how many experience points he needed to reach level 5...

He prolly just killed minor animals caught foraging. 2xp at a time. Only took him 37 years. Not bad. I heard an Orc kicked his ass tho.

33 pages to go kids!!!

[Leto]

i would love to have sin the tell us where he learned chen tai chi chuan and hsing i as it is shown in these clips. http://www.youtube.com/user/shaolind...l?feature=mhee

what do the old time shaolin do people have to say about these versions of chen tai chi chuan and hsing i? do they still claim that the reason ALL other tai chi chuan looks so different is that everyone else is doing post communist sport wushu? sin the has said he "mastered" this. what does he mean by that?

*sigh*. I've never seen him do internal before. But it looks just like everything else I've seen him do. If I had any doubt before, I can't believe he legitimately studied those arts now. He doesn't display any evidence of having studied from someone that knows the internal arts.

[bodhi warrior]

Ive seen Sin The' do the Yang 64 form on the KET series back in the '80's. It actually looked pretty good.

[brucereiter]

Ive seen Sin The' do the Yang 64 form on the KET series back in the '80's. It actually looked pretty good.

I have videos of sin the doing yang tai chi and I will admit that sin the does a bit better with his yang performances but I still question where and when he learned it and think he is missing some key emements. It certainly was not passed down from "Shaolin temple" to ie Chang Ming to sin kwang the.

[brucereiter]

*sigh*. I've never seen him do internal before. But it looks just like everything else I've seen him do. If I had any doubt before, I can't believe he legitimately studied those arts now. He doesn't display any evidence of having studied from someone that knows the internal arts.

Kinda sad huh? I really hope people in and out of the system will observe what is on these videos objectively and that his current students will demand he truth from sin kwang the.

[Judge Pen]

I don't know about "official" names, but it was called "shaolin-do" in 1989 when I started training.

[shen ku]

I knew it as shaolin do in 1985 when I started

[brucereiter]

from the information available regarding the copyright the first use of the name "shaolin do" was 1978 and the first commercial use was 1985.

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http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=77dgv9.2.1

Word Mark
GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE SHAOLIN DO
Translations
SHAOLIN DO is the name of a style of martial arts.
Goods and Services
IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: martial arts instruction. FIRST USE: 19781015. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19850615
Mark Drawing Code
(3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code
07.01.06 - Other houses
26.11.01 - Rectangles as carriers or rectangles as single or multiple line borders
26.11.21 - Rectangles that are completely or partially shaded
Serial Number
78374677
Filing Date
February 26, 2004
Current Filing Basis
1A
Original Filing Basis
1A
Published for Opposition
June 28, 2005
Registration Number
2997293
Registration Date
September 20, 2005
Owner
(REGISTRANT) The, Sin Kwang INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 11542 N. Poema Pl. #103 Chatsworth CALIFORNIA 91311
Attorney of Record
Craig O. Correll
Disclaimer
NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE SHAOLIN DO APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark
SERVICE MARK
Register
PRINCIPAL
Other Data
The name GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE identifies a living individual whose consent is of record.
Live/Dead Indicator
LIVE

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Serial Number: 78374677

Registration Number: 2997293

Mark


(words only): GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE SHAOLIN DO

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: Registered.

Date of Status: 2005-09-20

Filing Date: 2004-02-26

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: 2005-09-20

Register: Principal

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LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

1. The, Sin Kwang

Address:
The, Sin Kwang
(address and tel deleted)


GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

International Class: 041
martial arts instruction
First Use Date: 1978-10-15
First Use in Commerce Date: 1985-06-15

Basis: 1(a)


ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Disclaimer: SHAOLIN DO

Name Portrait Consent: The name GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE identifies a living individual whose consent is of record.

Translation: SHAOLIN DO is the name of a style of martial arts.

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PROSECUTION HISTORY

2005-09-20 - Registered - Principal Register

2005-06-28 - Published for opposition

2005-06-08 - Notice of publication

2005-03-23 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2005-03-22 - Assigned To LIE

2005-03-17 - Approved for Pub - Principal Register (Initial exam)

2005-03-17 - Amendment From Applicant Entered

2005-03-14 - Communication received from applicant

2005-03-14 - FAX RECEIVED

2004-09-17 - Examiner's Amendment And/Or Priority Action E-Mailed

2004-09-17 - Examiners Amendment And/Or Priority Action - Completed

2004-09-15 - Case file assigned to examining attorney

2004-03-15 - New Application Entered In Tram


CORRESPONDENCE INFORMATION

Correspondent
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Craig O. Correll
CRAIG O CORRELL ATTORNEY AT LAW
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Item 1 of 1

1. Registration Number: PAu-1-493-404
Title: Shaolin do.
Description: videocassette.
Note: Cataloged from appl.
Claimant: Sin Kwang The
Created: 1980
Registered: 9Aug90
Author on © Application: Sin Kwang The.
Previous Related Version: Martial arts movements preexisting.
Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: selection & ordering of exercises.
Miscellaneous: C.O. corres.
Special Codes: 3/D
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[kwaichang]

What are SJK people? KC

[Old Noob]

from the information available regarding the copyright the first use of the name "shaolin do" was 1978 and the first commercial use was 1985.

>>>>>
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield...ate=77dgv9.2.1

Word Mark
GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE SHAOLIN DO
Translations
SHAOLIN DO is the name of a style of martial arts.
Goods and Services
IC 041. US 100 101 107. G & S: martial arts instruction. FIRST USE: 19781015. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19850615
Mark Drawing Code
(3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code
07.01.06 - Other houses
26.11.01 - Rectangles as carriers or rectangles as single or multiple line borders
26.11.21 - Rectangles that are completely or partially shaded
Serial Number
78374677
Filing Date
February 26, 2004
Current Filing Basis
1A
Original Filing Basis
1A
Published for Opposition
June 28, 2005
Registration Number
2997293
Registration Date
September 20, 2005
Owner
(REGISTRANT) The, Sin Kwang INDIVIDUAL UNITED STATES 11542 N. Poema Pl. #103 Chatsworth CALIFORNIA 91311
Attorney of Record
Craig O. Correll
Disclaimer
NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE SHAOLIN DO APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark
SERVICE MARK
Register
PRINCIPAL
Other Data
The name GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE identifies a living individual whose consent is of record.
Live/Dead Indicator
LIVE

Thank you for your request. Here are the latest results from the TARR web server.
This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-03-10 04:49:06 ET

Serial Number: 78374677

Registration Number: 2997293

Mark


(words only): GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE SHAOLIN DO

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: Registered.

Date of Status: 2005-09-20

Filing Date: 2004-02-26

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: 2005-09-20

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 113

If you are the applicant or applicant's attorney and have questions about this file, please contact the Trademark Assistance Center at TrademarkAssistanceCenter@uspto.gov

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2005-09-20


LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

1. The, Sin Kwang

Address:
The, Sin Kwang
(address and tel deleted)


GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

International Class: 041
martial arts instruction
First Use Date: 1978-10-15
First Use in Commerce Date: 1985-06-15

Basis: 1(a)


ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Disclaimer: SHAOLIN DO

Name Portrait Consent: The name GRANDMASTER SIN KWANG THE identifies a living individual whose consent is of record.

Translation: SHAOLIN DO is the name of a style of martial arts.

Design Search Code(s):
07.01.06 - Other houses
26.11.01 - Rectangles as carriers or rectangles as single or multiple line borders
26.11.21 - Rectangles that are completely or partially shaded


MADRID PROTOCOL INFORMATION

(NOT AVAILABLE)


PROSECUTION HISTORY

2005-09-20 - Registered - Principal Register

2005-06-28 - Published for opposition

2005-06-08 - Notice of publication

2005-03-23 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2005-03-22 - Assigned To LIE

2005-03-17 - Approved for Pub - Principal Register (Initial exam)

2005-03-17 - Amendment From Applicant Entered

2005-03-14 - Communication received from applicant

2005-03-14 - FAX RECEIVED

2004-09-17 - Examiner's Amendment And/Or Priority Action E-Mailed

2004-09-17 - Examiners Amendment And/Or Priority Action - Completed

2004-09-15 - Case file assigned to examining attorney

2004-03-15 - New Application Entered In Tram


CORRESPONDENCE INFORMATION

Correspondent
Craig O. Correll (Attorney of record)

Craig O. Correll
CRAIG O CORRELL ATTORNEY AT LAW
(address and tel deleted)



===================================

http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/formproce...right/locis.pl

(Combined Search)
Search For: TITL/SHAOLIN DO
Item 1 of 1

1. Registration Number: PAu-1-493-404
Title: Shaolin do.
Description: videocassette.
Note: Cataloged from appl.
Claimant: Sin Kwang The
Created: 1980
Registered: 9Aug90
Author on © Application: Sin Kwang The.
Previous Related Version: Martial arts movements preexisting.
Claim Limit: NEW MATTER: selection & ordering of exercises.
Miscellaneous: C.O. corres.
Special Codes: 3/D
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The video tape was discussed in the deposition and I tried to get a copy, which you can't because, duh, it's copyrighted. Nonetheless, for a couple of hundred bucks you can be bop down to the copyright office and watch that bad boy. I would like to see it because, if I'm remembering correctly, it shows the stuff that he made up and is, therefore, not ancient material from the temple. From the deposition, it isn't clear whether its just the short kata and sparring techs that are made up or virtually the entire lower belt curriculum.

[sean_stonehart]

What are SJK people? KC

Shorinji Kempo ... c'mon... everybody's abbreviating nowadays... even you!!

[brucereiter]

these books were published in 1984

"New Approach Chinese Kung Fu Training Methods a Complete Course"

The ISBN for the complete set is 962 07 1046 0.

http://www.amazon.com/New-Approach-K...rds=9620710460

There are 3 books in the set.
the set of books contain 20 forms


it is very probable that Sin The used the following forms from these 3 books.

Book 1
has 3 forms including the Spear vs. Broadsword set.

Book 2
9 forms - Sin The has taught 5 of them.
Long Fist
Modern Hua
tai chi 24 Form
Tiger Crane
Hsing I Roads Linkage and Animals

Book 3 has 8 forms Sin The has taught 2 of them
Twin Doubles
9 Section Chain Whip.

what do you think? could sin the have taught from these 3 books what he claimed he learned from ie chang ming?

there are only 2 available on amazon and they are expensive ... i wonder what sin the and bill leonard would have to say about this question of mine?
sin the is in incredible shape and it appears he can hit very hard and has some actual martial skills. it is too bad he dug himself in so deep with lies, omissions, partial truths and plain old bull****.