Is Shaolin-Do for real?

[Judge Pen]

974 pages! Of what?

The aholin do folks should have their own chat site somewhere else-??

No, the people here are much more respectful than Bullshido.

[Judge Pen]

Anyone know the story behind these peeps: http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/mindbod...t/History.html

"Grandmaster Lawrence Day" and the Silent Dragon kung fu group. When did they split? Who was their teachers? Why do they wear socks to train?

[Orion Paximus]

Lawrence Day split back in the 70s when Sin let his brother open a school just down the road from his. But according to everyone except the Soards, they're still on good terms. those other guys aren't SD guys. They each have done different styles of KF. Some traditional, some esoteric.

FYI Silent Dragon is now defunct.

[Empty_Cup]

I would love your input on a thread I started on Chen taijiquan http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/foru...ad.php?t=64498

As far as yang 64, I don't really have any questions/comments right now but have been practicing this set for awhile. I'm working on following your example and getting some excerpt video of myself to put out there for critique to help develop more. I'll let you know when it's out there.

Hsing I is really interesting. I just recently started into this material and haven't learned linking yet so don't have much to say on it. However, I've been having a lot of fun practicing the 5 elements. Have you had a chance to work the Cycle of Destruction with a partner and, if so, what did you think? Also, what kind of qigong do you practice for hsing i and what's your experience been thus far?

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@brucereiter

[Judge Pen]

oops!

Thought you might like that, Frank. That tournament was were the photos of me doing the form were taken.

[brucereiter]

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Hsing I is really interesting. I just recently started into this material and haven't learned linking yet so don't have much to say on it.

However, I've been having a lot of fun practicing the 5 elements. Also, what kind of qigong do you practice for hsing i and what's your experience been thus far?

@brucereiter

pi chuan (splitting) metal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCz1SSlyc6A

beng chuan (pounding) wood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZbMEBxWOr0

regarding breathing practice i hold santi and check my physical alignments try to distribute my weight/mass so i can deliver the max mass at the max speed.
my experience with hsing i has been positive. it has helped me learn about being more mobile (in general hsing i plows through, bagua goes around and tai chi gets out of the way all hit fast and hard) hsing i has helped my other martial arts a lot.

can you post a video of your practice?

Have you had a chance to work the Cycle of Destruction with a partner and, if so, what did you think?

yes. mike reid taught us this practice. i think it is an essential thing to help understand how to apply hsing i. i have not spent to much time with it but i do think it has value in showing how the "elements" affect on another by creating or destroying opportunity.

[Judge Pen]

Bruce,

I have observed others practicing Hsing-Ie that do their Pi Chuan very differently than we do. The essential movement is the same, and the first rising fist is performed slowly, but the second fist and the chopping element is done explosively. To accomplish this there is not the rising while bringing the feet together like we practice. Their fist also corresponded with a finger pressing along a pressure point (each element corresponding to a different meridian). Have you come across this variation (for lack of a different word)?

[Orion Paximus]

My Xing-Yi teacher was Edward Coughlin. Each attack in Pi quan was explosive and fast. This was true for each of the five element attacks.

This is pretty much the essence of what was taught to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iQZ3xn-UmjI

[brucereiter]

Bruce,

I have observed others practicing Hsing-Ie that do their Pi Chuan very differently than we do. The essential movement is the same, and the first rising fist is performed slowly, but the second fist and the chopping element is done explosively. To accomplish this there is not the rising while bringing the feet together like we practice. Their fist also corresponded with a finger pressing along a pressure point (each element corresponding to a different meridian). Have you come across this variation (for lack of a different word)?

i have scene others do it in a similar fashion (similar to the general choreography) to what i think you are describing.
i have learned at least 20 different variations of pi chuan. the foot work of "shaolin do" pi chuan is very different but i dont think it is bad in principle as long as the "6 harmonies" are observed and as long as everything starts and stops at the same time.

the first version in the clip is basically what i learned and the second one was taught to me outside of the shaolin do system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCz1S...E6ZH-Kl1AF49vw

if you look at the santi at the beginning of this one you will see how i was shown in from gg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwBQnWd-GJI

[brucereiter]

My Xing-Yi teacher was Edward Coughlin. Each attack in Pi quan was explosive and fast. This was true for each of the five element attacks.

This is pretty much the essence of what was taught to me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iQZ3xn-UmjI

yang hai is a excellent representation of hsing i chuan. i have learned a lot from watching his videos...

[Syn7]

it doesn't realy matter anymore, does it?

ah, I can practically TASTE 1,000...

25 to go playbwoy!!!! Who bringing the pita chips?

[Syn7]

Still waiting for videos. I am not going to dig thru 1000 pages. Throw em up under a quote so I know it's for me. That goes for any of yas!

[Lucas]

just to **** with you all i'm going to stay up really late one night and make this thread hit the 1k and celebrate all by myself and take all the credit.

[Judge Pen]

i have scene others do it in a similar fashion (similar to the general choreography) to what i think you are describing.
i have learned at least 20 different variations of pi chuan. the foot work of "shaolin do" pi chuan is very different but i dont think it is bad in principle as long as the "6 harmonies" are observed and as long as everything starts and stops at the same time.

the first version in the clip is basically what i learned and the second one was taught to me outside of the shaolin do system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCz1S...E6ZH-Kl1AF49vw

if you look at the santi at the beginning of this one you will see how i was shown in from gg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwBQnWd-GJI

Yes, you were taught almost identically to the way I was taught. Interestingly, to Orion's point, I have seen versions that were slow in form and versions that were slow and then explosive and versions that were all explosive. It makes me wonder if they are just different ways to train the same technique and principals.

[bodhi warrior]

i have scene others do it in a similar fashion (similar to the general choreography) to what i think you are describing.
i have learned at least 20 different variations of pi chuan. the foot work of "shaolin do" pi chuan is very different but i dont think it is bad in principle as long as the "6 harmonies" are observed and as long as everything starts and stops at the same time.

the first version in the clip is basically what i learned and the second one was taught to me outside of the shaolin do system.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCz1S...E6ZH-Kl1AF49vw

if you look at the santi at the beginning of this one you will see how i was shown in from gg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwBQnWd-GJI

I always wondered why our pi chuan looked so different also. I thought maybe we're doing it wrong. But then I saw this video of su dong chen doing pi chuan. The way he executes the application is pretty close to how we practice it in form.

http://youtu.be/-MF7u0RhPlg