Used martial arts in real situation !

[Hombrediablo2]

( This in no way is a troll job true story ) I work in coroporate security for a major retailer in Miami Florida I wont specify who for obvious reasons. On this particular day we where on alert for a credit card fraud ring of thieves that had been charging up fraudulent accounts using peoples identities real scumbags. Well one of the males walked into a store and charged $500.00 dollars on a fraud card we just happened to be at the store while it was happening the male was approx 6"0 about 180 lbs. We ran up front ( letting the transaction go through) and the male was exiting the building. I was the first to arrive so I approached the male and identified myself he took off running and I pursued he jumped over some hedges and tripped faceplanting the street!! his buddies in the getaway car took off when all four of us came out. I then kneed him in the face while he was getting up ( I know not a standard apprehension technique but my adrenaline was pumping) he was so bent on getting away he sprang up and took a swing at me i slipped the punch and shot in for a takedown we fell on the concrete ( boy did that suck) and he ended up in my guard i slapped a guillotine choke on him he popped out my partner handcuffed one hand so i figured what the hell I slapped him in a triangle he powered out again a crowd started forming and he gave up the whole thing lasted like 30 sec it felt like 10 min we handcuffed him and when the cops got there and ran his name he had warrants for his arrest for assault on an officer. Sorry for the long story but the moral of the story train in all aspects of combat you never know when youll use it.

[David Jamieson]

dude, you're a square badge floorwalker.

you suckered a guy who was down.

[Hombrediablo2]

I know dude it was an adrenaline thing I couldnt help it besides the guy was a scumbag he deserved it he had been ruining peoples lives!

[David Jamieson]

ruining peoples lives by commiting fraud?

It's not like the dude was a hard criminal putting guns to peoples heads and treatening their lives.

If the card was bad, it was already reported. You could have simply made the arrest without the violence. What sort of restrain and contain training have you received for your job?

Criminals who ruin peoples lives are thugs who actually inflict violence on others. Psychopaths and sociopaths. Drug dealers who push crack on kids, People who run street prostitutes. These are examples of criminals who damage peoples lives.

two bit petty thief fraud artists are hardly ruining peoples lives.
And if they are, I would like to know how...keeping in mind that the law in it's grand equality forbids the poor as well as the rich from sleeping under bridges and stealing bread.

As for other forms of matchstick men, I would think that those who prey on the greed of others are pretty greasy and slimy. But then, many who fall prey to these types are embarassed to report their losses because it was fueled by their own greed to begin with.

There's stealing and doing harm, and then there is being in a crcumstance due to socio-economic conditions. Guys like the CEO's of companies like Enron are ruining peoples lives by looting their lives savings for another lambo in the stable. Guys who make 500 buck purchases on a lifted card aren't ruining peoples lives in my opinion.

[Shaolinlueb]

um, good job. criminals are criominals they dont deserve to be babied and be nice. he already assulted an officer so why not give him a few knock arounds, let him get some of his own medicine. dont be nice to those type of people.

[David Jamieson]

I'm not saying the guy doesn't deserve to get the consequences of his actions.

But is it ok in any sense to take a hammer to a problem that requires tweezers?

If a child steals an apple from a table, is that the same?

There is measure to everything. To cast all crimes into the same pile is sort of strange. Let's not forget that laws make criminals. In context to our own forms of social agreements such as how one behaves in public and interacts with others etc.

Because you drive 5mph over the speed limit, you are commiting a crime. Should you be beaten for that?

Or how about when you neglect to enter an item on your tax form. Whether you forge=ot about that item or deliberately did so, you are commiting a crime. Are you a scumbag for that? If you are poor and hungry, and you steal a loaf of bread, should you be beaten for that?

Lemme throw a little jesus at you guys, seeing as you might understand it.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

If you are incapable of trying to understand the circumstances, then you are probably not fit for a job that entails protecting others.

there is a huge difference between stealing a chocolate bar and pulling a carjacking.

Police who commit assaults are criminals in every context of the word. They are not above the law and they are not more valuable than the citizenry ther=y are charged to protect and serve.

there is some serious skewing going on these days in this regards in my opinion.

The dude commited fraud. He didn't bring physical harm and could have easily paid the consequences for that as opposed to being assaulted himself.

In short, square badge commited the greater crime by not properly executing his duties. He says himself he couldn't help hgis violent rage. In my opinion, he is in the wrong line of work if that's the case.

[Indestructible]

There is a difference between a child commiting a crime and a known criminal commiting a crime. Sounds like the necessary force was used to take care of this guy. Good job. Excessive would have been to continue beating him while he was down or handcuffed.

[David Jamieson]

Sounds like the necessary force was used to take care of this guy.

no.

he stated it himself that he was adrenilized and couldn't help himself.

it seems taht some of you fail to understand that it is not all that difficult to arrest this guy after the fact while he is in his house or on the street.

and until they ran the sheets on the guy, he was not "known" at all?

and by the logic being stated here, a criminal is a criminal by any other name. What about children who kill with their parents firearms?

think about this stuff before puffing the bravado pipes.

[Losttrak]

Crimes start small. People dont start out putting guns to people's heads. They start testing envelopes by things like credit card fraud. Then as they get more confident, they get greedier and more risky. Its an addiction.

[old jong]

One thing is for sure! If ever some security guard tries to choke me,he better get ready for some serious criminal charges himself.

[Hombrediablo2]

Thanks for all the replies Kung lek is entitled to his opinions thats cool but the guy was not one of these model citizens that Miami is full of lol and yeah I got a little out of control but who knows what this guy was capable of doing to get some money on the street. And just for the record were not security guards that wear uniforms and no there was no justifiable reason for having kneed this guys head but the story was just to prove that martial arts are somewhat effective in real life situations ive been in tons of situations where this type of thing occurs and I believe regardless of the circumstance some type of training always helps again thanks for the replies I hope no one was offeneded.

[Meat Shake]

If someone stole $500 dollars from me and I knew about it, Id do a whole lot more than just knee them in the face.

[IronFist]

Alright, see those keys to the right of the keys with letters on them? Those are called punctuation keys. You should learn how to use them.

[cerebus]

$500 for me would mean being unable to make rent OR buy any food. Yeah, $500 would probably ruin my life for a big chunk of time.

By the way KL, how many times have YOU apprehended a criminal who was resisting arrest? I've probably had to do so well over 100 times. Maybe the knee to the face was uncalled for. Then again maybe if he hadn't stunned/ distracted him with that knee he might've caught a knife in his guts.

It's your life you're gambling with in such a situation. Would I have done the same thing in that situation? I can't say, because I WASN'T THERE. Just like you can't judge because YOU weren't there.Is sparing the criminal a bruised face worth my life? Nope.

It's really great that you feel so sorry for that poor guy for the rough treatment he received. Of course if he hadn't been out there ripping off peoples' money & assaulting police officers in the first place then he never would've been in that situation. But hey, let's not put the blame on him, eh?

[TenTigers]

I square-badged for awhile also (yeah, I did some things) and it took 4 of us to try to subdue this 6'2" crackhead. We each had an arm and a leg and he would suddenly get this burst of energy and we'd go flying! I finally turned him around aginst the wall, kicked the back of his knee, and brought him down to be cuffed. He 'happened' to hit his head into the wall on the way down, which seemed to calm him a bit. He said he was gonna come back lookin for me one day. Yeah, right. Tough talk when you're cuffed.
About a year later, he was back in the mall, and we confronted him in BK, while he was jammed in the booth-so he really wasn't about to get up. PD took him away. He had a sawed off 12 guage in his car. I don't work there anymore.