taoists: letting go of ego and petty desires without killing basic joy

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i just re-read my post and yeah im talking out my ass.

ill blame it on being tired rather than ignorant. ill blame the fact it's not deleted on my feeling that everything we are talking about is a process ... one that i am just starting ... vs not wanting to see something i just put 10 minutes or more into go completely to waste.

[WanderingMonk]

Here's a discussion on the value of celibacy. I think it is consistent with the traditional daoist view on these issue. for those who thought it was dubious, you should evaluate these info and investigate these issues further.

http://www.ashram.org/satsang_eng/et...uth/page6.html

Modern medical opinion
Eminent European Medical experts also support the statements of the Yogis of India. Dr. Nicole says, "It is a medical and physiological fact that the best blood in the body goes to form the elements of reproduction in both the sexes. In a pure and orderly life, this matter is reabsorbed. It goes back into circulation ready to form the finest brain, nerve and muscular tissues. This vital fluid of man carried back and diffused through his system makes him manly, strong, brave and heroic. If wasted, it leaves him effeminate, weak and physically debilitated and prone to sexual irritation and disordered function, a wretched nervous system, epilepsy and various other diseases and death. The suspension of the use of the generative organs is attained with a notable increase of bodily, mental and spiritual vigour."

If the spermatic secretion in man is continuous, it must either be expelled or be reabsorbed. As a result of the most patient and preserving scientific investigations, it has been found that whenever the seminal secretions are conserved and thereby reabsorbed into the system, it goes towards enriching the blood and strengthening the brain.

Dr. Dio Louis thinks that the conservation of this element is essential to strength of body, vigour of mind and keenness of intellect. Another writer Dr. E.P. Miller says : "All waste of spermatic secretions, whether voluntary or involuntary, is a direct waste of the life-force. It is almost universally conceded that the choicest element of the blood enters into the composition of the spermatic secretions. If these conclusions are correct, then it follows that celibacy in life is essential to man's ultimate well- being."

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i will say this about the suspension of semen.

it's almost worth it for the nocturnal emissions. noctorunal emissions rock. i havent been lucky enough to have many, but unless it became a nightly thing i dont think i'd ever complain about having to change my shorts. even then i don't think id complain.

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

Regarding the retention of Semen.. i think there is a balance, between celibacy and frequency.. First, there are several Taoist/Tantric techniques for recycling semen that permits ejaculation but retains the fluids.. this increases stamina and duration of performance while permitting the full sensation of orgasm (several times if well trained).. Second, it seems contrary to design and function of the human body to be celibate, atrophy sounds like a bad thing in this region of the body.. moderation and appropriate intention seem healthy to me..

Buddy: I sense that we could get along well under less anonymous circumstances.. it would keep the accounting in line..

It was perceived as such because it WAS a cheap shot. And rather than sincerely apologize, you make it still the responsablity of the perceiver. THAT is passive/aggressive.

Passive/aggressive by whose standards, yours? and, i make it no one's responsibility.. i only wish to redeem any unintended harm.. one will find whatever they seek, if you seek conflict in a sincere apology you will likely find it.. but, to what end? how does it serve you to pursue this issue? i will admit that my choice of analogies and its presentation was flawed, i have apologized for unintended harm.. what else do you need to curb your aggressive righteousness?

It is my intent to call you on it when you take this superior tone and then attack another under the guise of debate.

Okay, you have "called" me on it.. my answer is i have not taken a "superior attitude", that is your own interpretation.. as you say, "You have no idea how I approach life, nor I you".. and, for the record, that was not an "attack", if i "attack" there will be no subtlety, no question, it will be direct and to the point.. that was playful sparring.. under the guise of communication..

You could have kept out of my issue with BL and Eggo but chose to add your smug and condescending tone to it. Reap what you sow.

Now, we get to the real issue, revenge.. you got your feelings hurt when someone "called" you on something.. my tone was not smug or condescending, it was factual and far more appropriate than the brutish display by you and your posse.. the personal attacks, the character judgements, the use of juvenile language and the purely hurtful intent implied by your "issue with BL and Eggo".. the voracity of your persecution of harmless trolls was tantamount to internet stalking with an intent more harmful than the ones you persecuted.. it was a public embarrassment, and used up more bandwidth than a Bush cover-up.. But, for the record, i didn't care for the "mixed messages" of BL and Ego, but i believe they have a right to be here.. any rational mind would have discerned the BS without the persecution.. and saved the rest of us pages and pages of useless tripe to have to wade through is search of something useful..

So, now that we have slung some mud at each other.. do you think its possible to move on to more productive issues..

Be well..

[Buddy]

"Passive/aggressive by whose standards, yours? and, i make it no one's responsibility.. i only wish to redeem any unintended harm.. one will find whatever they seek, if you seek conflict in a sincere apology you will likely find it.. but, to what end?"

Bob,
We could look up the definition but I doubt that would satisfy you.
When you say 'any perceived insult' you absolve yourself of responsibility and palce it on the perceiver. To that end I didn't find your apology sincere. But Zen accepted it, and as the slight was slung in his direction, he gets to be the one to decide.

"what else do you need to curb your aggressive righteousness?"

Well, I see no need to curb it. Passive righteousness is the closet of the cowardly. Great and evil deeds were allowed because righteous men refused to speak. I don't mean to be hyperbolic and I don't equate this discussion to such deeds.

"Now, we get to the real issue, revenge.. you got your feelings hurt when someone "called" you on something.. "

Yes revenge. I have no problem with that. But no, my feelings weren't hurt. Your smugness about what you thought should be written and what shouldn't could have been kept to yourself. No one asked for your input but when you decided to add it anyway.
You didn't like my response and here we are.

"my tone was not smug or condescending, it was factual and far more appropriate than the brutish display by you and your posse.."

Both smug and condescending. I believe your comment began with,"Now, children..." If you didn't like my tone or posting style you were free to ignore it.

"the voracity of your persecution of harmless trolls was tantamount to internet stalking with an intent more harmful than the ones you persecuted.."

Persecution? Internet stalking? Please. Why didn't you just call the Politeness Police?

"But, for the record, i didn't care for the "mixed messages" of BL and Ego, but i believe they have a right to be here.. any rational mind would have discerned the BS without the persecution.. and saved the rest of us pages and pages of useless tripe to have to wade through is search of something useful.."

Apparently the mods disagreed with you. And why on earth did you wade through "pages and pages of useless tripe?" For my part just the smell of it puts me off. Perhaps you have a greater tolerence for it. I stop reading quite rapidly.

"it was a public embarrassment, and used up more bandwidth than a Bush cover-up.. "

Well I hope you were embarrassed for me. I certainly wasted no time on it. Maybe I'm just less concerned about the opinions of faceless keyboard jockeys.

"So, now that we have slung some mud at each other.. do you think its possible to move on to more productive issues.. "

Well, all things are possible...

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

Buddy:

Well, I see no need to curb it. Passive righteousness is the closet of the cowardly.

Perhaps, carefully picked battles are more appropriate than a constant confrontational facade.. it is my belief that rather than showing my hand before the battle, the surprise will yield an advantage.. i like to see the skills flash briefly and decisively then vanish.. leaving only the stunned and curious to ponder the next appearance.. but, make no mistake, when action is required i do not hesitate and i give no quarter nor ask..

Yes revenge. I have no problem with that.

Okay, here we are.. i hope you can consider the inappropriate intrusion into your affairs vindicated and we can move on.. really..

Both smug and condescending. I believe your comment began with,"Now, children..." If you didn't like my tone or posting style you were free to ignore it.

No, that opening was intended to lighten a nasty situation, that is not my normal response to things.. sure, i could just ignore your posts, but.. i actually feared that the level of humiliation directed at BL and Ego might get you banned as well.. considering that you have some decent contributions to these dialogues from time to time i had hoped to de-rail a potential trainwreck.. But, in retrospect, that was a mistake of mine.. i live, i learn..

Persecution? Internet stalking? Please. Why didn't you just call the Politeness Police?

I tried.. but, i was informed that i was behind the times.. i was told that society has no need for common decency, respect, or tolerance.. that if i wanted to survive i would have to adapt and measure my worth by the number of victims in my wake.. no, wait.. that was the Bush White House Police.. see, there you have it.. wrong number..

Well, all things are possible...

i hope so.. this is "hard work".. no, wait.. "mexed missages".. no, wait.. mixed work.. Crap, just execute somebody so we can have a Bar... oops.. i shouldn't cut and paste from Bush's memoirs..

Be well..

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

interesting twist of things. all my porn is gone now as my hardrive just up and died out of no where.

no clicking, no warning or anything. just got a boot disk error out of no where today .... doesn't even show up in bios as slave in my girlfriends machine so everything that was on it is gone.

yeah im looking into raid now.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

Originally posted by Buddy
Scott,
But GDA's point was his overuse of pornography

no sir. that's all you guys. im just goin along for the ride at this point.

[Zenshiite]

The Universe is trying to tell you something perhaps GDA.

Peace,
Dawud

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i think that the universe is telling me that page 6 of this thread has absolutely nothing to do with page one, and such is the way of the kung fu forum.

[lightsout]

Why do I feel like GDA is the most taoist person on this thread? LOL