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    Lightbulb War in Iraq has killed over 100.000 Iraqis

    Last Updated Fri, 29 Oct 2004 06:29:19 EDT

    LONDON - Nearly 100,000 more Iraqis have died during the American-led occupation than would have been expected otherwise, a study posted on The Lancet medical journal's website Thursday estimates.

    Most of the extra deaths in the first 18 months of the occupation were due to violence, the researchers said – in particular, air strikes that claimed civilian casualties.

    "Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children," they wrote.

    Previous estimates of the number of Iraqis killed during the American-led air strikes and occupation have ranged from 10,000 to 30,000.

    The report in the British journal is based on the work of teams from Johns Hopkins University, Columbia University and the Al-Mustansiriya University in Baghdad. The authors acknowledge that the data cited in the study might be of "limited precision."

    However, similar methodology was used in the late 1990s to calculate the number of deaths from the war in Kosovo, put at 10,000.

    The information was obtained as Iraqi interviewers surveyed 808 families, consisting of 7,868 people, in 33 different "clusters" or neighbourhoods spread across the country.

    In each case, they asked how many births and deaths there had been in the home since January 2002.

    That information was then compared with the death rates in each neighbourhood in the 15 months before the invasion that toppled president Saddam Hussein, adjusted for the different time frames, and extrapolated to cover the entire 24.4 million population of Iraq.

    The researchers came up with the figure of 100,000 extra deaths based on the fact that the rate rose from five deaths per 1,000 people before the war to 12.3 deaths per 1,000 in the 18 months that followed its start.

    Fallujah neighbourhood factored out

    One neighbourhood in the besieged city of Fallujah may have boosted the numbers unnaturally, the researchers pointed out.

    But even with that neighbourhood taken out, the death rate was 7.9 per 1,000 people – 50 per cent higher during the occupation than in the months before.

    "We estimate that there were 98,000 extra deaths during the post-war period in the 97 per cent of Iraq represented by all the clusters except Fallujah," the researchers said in the journal.

    Nearly 1,100 American soldiers have also died in the conflict.

    Before the invasion, the most common causes of death in Iraq were heart attacks, strokes and other chronic diseases, the Lancet report said.

    Since early 2002, violence was by far the main cause of death, linked to coalition air strikes in about 95 per cent of cases where people died by the intentional act of others. Infant mortality also rose significantly.


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    Not yet. God's monkey house still needs to be cleaned.
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    That's sad...

    These are people' sons, fathers, brothers, etc.
    A lack of compassion for the dead is a lack of compassion for life...

    I don't feel anger towards people like you who discount peoples death because they fight in what they've come to belive (our troops as well), I feel pity. Pity that you are too obtuse to see a life extinguished is a sad thing.
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    Of course, it is a pity that they are dead. Just as it was a pity when people died at Dresden or Aachen. They had a choice to avoid it, but failed to do so, but perhaps this is human nature.

    However, the National Socialists of Germany were defeated. The nations of Europe are now composed of peaceful democracies (while some were on the take from Iraq) who do not invade their neighbors.

    Nazi Germany was defeated. The USSR, the largest terrorist regime in history, was defeated. The thugs and Jihadists of the Middle East will be defeated.

    Not to finish the fight and win the war and rebuild is to dishonor the dead.
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    "he USSR, the largest terrorist regime in history, was defeated."

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    That number isn't widely accepted.
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    Kristoffer, what's so funny about the USSR's use of terror and murder? Why laugh at the death and suffering of hundreds of millions?
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    Oh so you're not a joke? Sorry, you come off as one.
    Why laugh?
    why calling a whole culture and country 'an ape house' ?
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    "God's Monkey House" is a quotation from P.J. O'Rourke a writerRolling Stone magazine. It refers to the endless quarreling and mischief of that area of the world.

    As the old joke goes (Golda's favorite), "But the Scorpion said to the Turtle, 'ahhh, but this is the Middle East.'"
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    Originally posted by El Tejon
    Of course, it is a pity that they are dead. Just as it was a pity when people died at Dresden or Aachen. They had a choice to avoid it, but failed to do so, but perhaps this is human nature.

    However, the National Socialists of Germany were defeated. The nations of Europe are now composed of peaceful democracies (while some were on the take from Iraq) who do not invade their neighbors.

    Nazi Germany was defeated. The USSR, the largest terrorist regime in history, was defeated. The thugs and Jihadists of the Middle East will be defeated.

    Not to finish the fight and win the war and rebuild is to dishonor the dead.
    And WHAT, may I ask, has this to do with the topic? The war in Iraq has nothing to do with the "facts" you stated above.

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    Originally posted by norther practitioner
    That number isn't widely accepted.
    Then what is the true number, can you tell me that?
    And btw, as long as there is ANY number of deaths to be counted, it's wrong. Doesn't matter how many.

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    chen, the War of Continuation in Iraq has everything to do with what I stated. It means that in order to defeat great evil, such as the National Socialists in Germany or the USSR, bloodshed is necessary. In order to destroy the evil in the Middle East, bloodshed is necessary so innocent life may be protected.

    chen, avoid death at any cost? So, no war should be fought? The U.S. should have ignored Hitler's declaration of war and not fought to free Europe and end his genocide of millions?

    Was it wrong for the U.S. to defeat Japan and liberate China and end the genocide and oppression of the Chinese people because death was involved?

    Was it wrong to defeat the USSR and end its murder of tens if not hundreds of millions?

    Is self-defense wrong because it involves the death of your attacker?
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    Originally posted by El Tejon
    So, no war should be fought?
    Iraq isn't a war, it's an invasion of a sovereign country.
    Originally posted by El Tejon
    Was it wrong to defeat the USSR ...
    Which war was that in?
    Originally posted by El Tejon
    Is self-defense wrong because it involves the death of your attacker?
    Self-defense? Against whose attack? Did Saddam attack the U.S.?
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    Toby, the war in Iraq is a continuation of the 1991 ceasefire. Kindly Uncle Saddam failed to maintain the terms of the ceasefire and the U.S. renewed its offensive in 2003.

    The defeat of the USSR was the ending of the Cold War, 1945 to 1989.

    Self-defense question is asked of any actor, nation state or individual.

    Saddam violated the terms of his probation and failed to honor the 1991 ceasefire agreement.
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