Po Pai Hands

[Mojo]

Do any of your instructors, besides Gary Lam and his students, teach Po Pai, the butterfly hands of Wing Chun?

The article that Mr. Leblanc wrote for IKF was the first time I'd ever heard of it. Great info in the article. Nice to see advanced wing chun in an article.

[YongChun]

I thought Po Pai was a common Wing Chun method. Wang Kiu called it holding a board based on the configuration of the hands used to perform the action. I saw a movie in the 80's where the main technique used was the Po Pai. In the 108 version of the Wang Kiu wooden dummy, section 7 is totally concerned with the Po Pai movement.

Ray

[Vajramusti]

Po Pai jeung is/should be part of any decent wing chun curriculum.

[Mojo]

Thanks guys.

I'm a hsing-i guy and saw alot of similarities to one of our tiger forms/techniques.

[ntc]

Po Pai is a fundamental structure-controlling routine in WC, and is often applied in contact Chi Sao. There is a section in the dummy form that trains the proper structure, angle, timing, and distance of the Po Pai Cheung. The wooden dummy, just in case you did not know, is a crucial part of the training of all WC practitioners.

[old jong]

Don't leave home without it!

[Mojo]

Cool
I'm learning alot here.

Whats the defence for it ?

[old jong]

The defence?...
-Pak Fak
-Pak Gan
-Pak Biu
-Huen Jum
-Gan Jum
-Kwan Sau
-Biu Huen
-Jut Biu
-Jut Jut!...
-Gum Tan
-Gum Pak
-You get the idea?(many more)
-All of these preferably combined with a slight turn.(Chor Ma) Without forgetting that any of these motions can have any of the two hands transformed into a punch or chop.

[ntc]

There are really no specific, special, or formulated solutions catered specifically for the Po Pai Cheung. Recall that Chi Sao will help an individual develop the ability to sense, via the arms in contact, the flow of energy, potential structural weaknesses in the opponent, etc. which would then result in the appropriate reactive response from you. The individual would then be able to move accordingly (body and horse as needed) to counter the situation, and this should come naturally from the individual. The same would apply in the Po Pai Cheung case. However, you will likely see applications of two-handed techniques (kwun sao, kan sao, for instance) used to try to neutralize or counter-control the opponent coming in with Po Pai Cheung.

[Ernie]

Mojo
We just shot a new DVD on Gary's Level 2 training methods
all based on control and feeling
we go through a full break down on how we train po pai

we have a full power freestyle chi sau type method of training
were we go all out but only use variations of po pai

we get in the middle of a padded cell [ a mattress on each side ]
and blast each other

vary ballistic but since there is not hitting just feeling angles timing and getting the right position at the right time under full pressure

it's pretty safe

unless you apply send in energy po pai with shock power
in this drill we only apply send out energy , just blow him out of position

it's all in the training methods man =)

Their are a few more advanced level were you learn to absorb and take his power and cut his timing

in the beginning you just let him send you this is one side feeds
then you cut his timing half as he is in mid action -- this is were the competition begins you learn to change very quickly and secure position and send out power by way of feeling

then as you get good you work of the end timing and you absorb borrow and turn the energy back

finally you flow with and mold

the last 2 are not shown on the DVD


hope that helps

[Mojo]

Ernie
Thanks that does help.
This dvd can be ordered through you ?
I'd like to get one.

[yellowpikachu]

Originally posted by Ernie

unless you apply send in energy po pai with shock power
in this drill we only apply send out energy , just blow him out of position

interesting.

and how is one generating the shock power?

[Mojo]

Old Jong

Thansk, I think. I get your idea. too bad I don't know the meaning of those words

[Ernie]

Originally posted by yellowpikachu
interesting.

and how is one generating the shock power?

meet me some time and i will be more then happy to show you

it's something i'm very good at

[Ernie]

Originally posted by Mojo
Ernie
Thanks that does help.
This dvd can be ordered through you ?
I'd like to get one.

no not me all of Gary's stuff can be found at http://www.cranesproduction.com/

there is one called called Devestating po pai hands or secret po pai something real corny like that

it shows all 8 of the po pai hands and 2 set up hands so 10 in total
but it doesn't have the drills , Gary kept the drills in house
until now and the new DVD won't be released for a few months

since he just released 3 others

way to much saturation

to many shame less plugs ha ha

man we spend alot of time developing Po Pai if you have any questions email me
don't want to bore people with the stuff