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  1. #16
    Originally posted by Christopher M
    It's certainly a different concept than zero itself is. But the bagua are also a different concept than eight is -- we're just talking about the symbolic number system, in which wuji is zero, not suggesting these concepts are equivalent to the numbers.


    I just don't think that the number zero should be used because it has philosophical implications that come from a different culture. I could be incorrect here but I'm pretty sure that the Chinese did not invent zero. Zero implies nothing as in "the thing does not exist." The Chinese didn't see things as being so black and white.



    What do you mean?
    I mean a double negative because Wu Ji is not nothing and it is not something. It precedes something and nothing and separateness in general.

    No, Liang Yi is two: yin and yang.
    I haven't heard this term before. What is its intended meaning.

    Taiji is not yin and yang, it is one thing: the polarization of wuji. Taiji is the mother of yin and yang as discrete entities. And yin and yang are not 'something and nothing', they are 'receptive and active.'
    My understanding is that Taiji is the separation of Wu Ji into Yin and Yang. Yin and Yang symbolizes many things but what it really refers to in mystical terms is the division of the conciousness from the rest of reality. Whatever "reality" is.


    Everything springs from everything. But the Ba Gua are not one of the 10,000 things which spring from Taiji. The Ba Gua are the Si Xiang combined again with the movement of yin and yang, which is very different than the 10,000 things.
    My understanding is that the ba gua comes from the different combinations of yin and yang. The ****her you get from the mental side of things the more abstract it gets.


    You can see a presentation of these concepts related to taijiquan here and baguazhang here.
    Thanks for the table. But again, I don't agree with the numbering system. The state of Wu Ji is without separation. Something that exists, also does not exist in this state. The term zero means, does not exist.

    Wu Ji is not a void. Wu Ji is also not not a void.

    How can that be?

    Because as soon as we seek to name something as existing or not existing we miss what it truly is.

    It makes not sense logically. But the point is that mystic experience defies logic.

    Logic requires a subject and an object. In mystic experience that dviision is very blurry.

    Not saying that I'm "right" per se just sharing with you how I see things.

    Yes, a section of the temporal lobe. This has been studied for a while now, in the laboratory provided by epileptics whose seizures are specific to this area. Recently, it's been possible to do more controlled experiments as a result of the invention of a noninvasive brain-stimulation device; work pioneered by Persinger.
    Very interesting.


  2. #17
    It might be easiest just to point to an introduction to daoist theory. This one is brief and covers most of what we've been talking about. The main thing it's missing is the technical term 'Liang Yi' which you ask about, which the author refers to as "however, yang and yin separately are expressed as a broken line and a solid line respectively" at the top of the second page, where you can see that diagram adjacent to a taiji diagram to notice their differences.

  3. #18
    Wuji is theorized to be the beginning state where everything arise or derive.

    Such as the primordial soup or an embryo.

    Taiji represents both yin and yang.

    Taiji is the dynamic of both yin and yang.

    When you give a factor (limit), there will be things inside the limit (yang) and things outside the limit (yin).

    Yin and yang arise at the same time and are interdependent.

    One gets stronger. The other gets weaker and vice versa.

    When yin and yang are moving, they are separating and expanding. This is Taiji.

    When both yin and yang stop to move or interact, they are shrinking or contracting and coming together (in union) as one which is Wuji.

    Tai Ji Ze Wu Ji Er Sen. Yin Yang Zi Mu.

    Dong Zi Ze Fun.

    Jin Zi Ze He.
    Last edited by SPJ; 11-23-2004 at 11:44 PM.

  4. #19
    Yes, both 99 and 108 are mystical numbers.

    99 is the best luck.

    108 is 36+36+36.

    If you have the top, the bottom, the left, the right, the front and the back (6 determinants/directional vectors) of movement of your left hand X 6 with your right hand, you have 36 moves.

    Or 6 hand moves X 6 foot moves=36.

    If you attack or defend high 36+ mid 36 +low 36, you have 108 possible moves.

    These factors (hand, foot, or weapon etc) may vary, but you still have the 6 general directional vectors.

    Some examples.

    Shaolin 36 staffs, 108 wooden dummy Zhuang.

    These numbers are also used in planning how to mount organized groups of people for attack or defense. It is called Bai Zhen (setting up matrix).

    Ba Gua is equivalent to 8 directions or 4 fronts (Si Zhen) and 4 corners (Si Yu).

    There are more.

    Peace.

    Last edited by SPJ; 11-24-2004 at 08:31 AM.

  5. #20
    There are many legends.

    There was a Daoist scholar.

    He arranged the trails in the plum flower (Mei Hua) garden with a Ba Gua Zhen (matrix).

    Unless you have a clue.

    You will always end up where your start, no matter which direction you embark on.


    Last edited by SPJ; 11-24-2004 at 08:33 AM.

  6. #21
    Not surprised.

    If you are guided to walk in a Ba Gua circle with the directions of Bai Bu and Kou Bu.




  7. #22

    Quantum Physics

    Science is starting to get into this whole realm of mind and mysticism. There is a new field of study called "Quantum Physics" which is the study of the relationship of the mind to the universe.

  8. #23

    Re: Quantum Physics

    Originally posted by Andy62
    Science is starting to get into this whole realm of mind and mysticism. There is a new field of study called "Quantum Physics" which is the study of the relationship of the mind to the universe.
    Uh...actually Quantum Physics is the study of physics on the subatomic level.

  9. #24
    That could be defined as the same thing.

  10. #25
    Originally posted by Andy62
    That could be defined as the same thing.
    How so?

  11. #26
    As the great British Physicist Sir James Jeans said, " the more we look at the universe the more it looks like mind." The mind would certainly be sub-atomic. Atoms are matter although very small matter where the mind is ethereal and not matter-it is more energy.

  12. #27
    Master Liu's writing about Buddhism and Kung Fu.

    http://www.bodymindharmony.com/GMWORDS.HTM


  13. #28
    Buddhism started 2500 years ago in India.

    It spread to China over 2000 years ago.

    Da Mo allegedly visited China and started Chan sect 1500 years ago in Shaolin.

    Chan/Zen Buddhism is the largest religion in the world.

    Zen and Buddhism started to emerge in US during last century.

    There are Zen centers in every US major city.

    It is believed to be the fastest growing practices in the States.
    Last edited by SPJ; 11-25-2004 at 08:48 AM.

  14. #29
    Kung Fu is a name made popular by David Carradine TV series in the 1970's.

    The proper name is Wu Yi, Wu Shu or Wu Xue.

    If you have a good skill, you have Gong Fu.

    Any skills that take time and practice to perfect are called Gong Fu.

    Something takes time. We say it take Gong Fu.

    Chan meditation, Daoist meditation and Qi Gong practices for health and fitness.

    They are integrated with CMA practices and studies.

    Life philosophies are rooted with the practices of Gong Fu.

    In short, Kung Fu is not only about learning how to fight.

    Together with Chan or Daoist meditation. Kung Fu is about how to cultivate your mind and soul as well.

    Of course, you may have your own belief or religion.
    Last edited by SPJ; 11-25-2004 at 08:49 AM.

  15. #30
    Chan is about life and enlightenment.

    You discover Chan in everthing in life.

    You also may find your Chan in Kung Fu.

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