Since I’ve had some judo and also currently take mantis, let me make another observation in this love fest of judo vs. mantis. The mantis incorporates very heavy physical training and iron body. When I was taking judo, there was a bigger advantage to those who were fat and heavy. In mantis it helps to be large, but not as much as judo because of the joint locks and tactics to cause the other person to be off balance that are not found in judo. Almost everything is different about the 2 styles including something as simple as grabbing. In judo heavy emphasis is placed on the heavy uniform top to aid in throws. In mantis, you do not grab cloths, but the root of muscles and tendons. A lot of mantis styles wear short sleeve or no sleeve tops to aid in practice. Before you get all bent out of shape, JUDO IS A GREAT MARTIAL ART!!!!! I’m just saying it’s just not the same as mantis.