Originally posted by Strangler
Everyone knows sparring is important though
Not really. There are plenty of schools that don't spar.
what we disagree on is valuable class time being spent on drills and techniques as well as sparring and most of conditioning being done at home.
I don't have a problem with conditioning being done at home. It should be, but in addition to adding it to class time. What do you think this "valuable class time" should be spent on, if not drills, sparring and techniques? conditioning is a byproduct of those three, if you do them right. Here's an experiment, enforcer - post what your ideal class session would be like.
Another thing we disagree on is traditional training. I don't think it should be neglected and replaced by modern kickboxing type training, if you want that you can just take a boxing class or so. Traditional training has its use and will achieve results in different muscle groups and in different ways.
We don't necessarily disagree there. I have no problem with stance training, per se (for example). But, people that think stance training is making their legs alot stronger are deluded. I also think that people who hold stances for 10, 20, 30, etc. mins at a time are wasting their time. Moving stance training though, and static stance training for shorter intervals are great.
Take internal styles for examples, there are no other styles in the world with similar standing meditation regiments, and that teach you to generate power ijn this unique way. Alot of people that have alot of free time can train in both modern and traditional methods. Even if you don't have alto of free time you can still spend a few minutes with each method rather than just hitting the bag all the time.
I don't have a problem with meditation either - I take yoga classes. I do however, think that doing it in class can be a waste of "valuable class time". I can do that on my own. What benefit are you getting by doing standing meditation in class?
Like people in various ima message boards always say, external styles like mt and boxing will only take you so far, after you reach this point of advansement there isn't much more room for you, you will have days when you are a bit better and a bit worse but you will generally stick at this point.
IMA is the same. take ANY ima "master" and put him in a boxing ring. he'll get killed. he may be able to hold his own with untrained or lesser trained guys, but the attitude in the ring is completely different. I have a judo coach that is pushing 80. In his day, he was a three time national champ. He still teaches and is VERY good, but he no longer competes. Why? because he at his age could not hande competition.
It's not an issue of taking it so far, but an issue of competing. You can train until you die and still progress, as the judo coach I mentioned above. however, you will be progreessing in knowledge, not in physical attributes. It is those attributes that allow one to compete. Tyson is getting to the point where he can't keep up with the younger guys. But I can assure you, he would maul ANYONE on this forum, budoseek, emptyflower, cyberkwoon or jarek's, despite his age and current state in pro boxing.
That is why some guys are natural boxers and athletes like Tyson and demolishe evryone (early in his career) and others no matter how hard they train they can't make it.
they may not be able to make it as a PROFESSIONAL CALIBER FIGHTER, but anyone can be made into a decent fighter.
That is where styles like tai chi come in. They can take your current level of skill to the next level.
When they start having pro taiji bouts, I'll listen to that.
That is why they take longer to learn unless you already reached your peak in the external systems and can fight before you train in these styles.
No it's not. It takes longer because the body mechanics are so different. that, and the fact that CMA is typically designed to take longer to learn anyway. That applies to both external and internal.
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