Originally Posted by
AndrewS
Sat,
John Wang Shuai- Chiao workshop 3hrs
Very nice intro to Shuia-chiao by Mr. Wang. Crew attending was small and a mixed bag of ages, experience levels, and focuses. I'll note the big concepts here as a blow by blow of each throw is past my powers of accurate recall
Stance- 40/60 front/rear
Ideal base feet approximately 1 fist outside shoulder width
Goal of setups for throw- bring CoG as close to outside of boundary of feet as possible, throw takes it outside
Leads
-matched- L vs L, R vs R- fewer entering options open to you, favors entering with lead hook over other person's guard as fake, back hand slips under to grab lead hand off hook, proceed to control
-mirror- L vs R, more options here, enter off either hook to upward wrapping (underhook) or lifting punch to downward wrapping (overhook), while other hand shoots forward to cover rear hand (wedge/SPEAR)
Bridging
-cucumber vine- make constant small inward circles with arms, spiralling bridge attempts out, allowing constant potential firing of hook (Latosa's downward pat component of empty hand figure 8 cycle). Inward spiral could pull shots into your own face.
-leg bridge- straight kick as probe/ jam to lead leg transition to leg biting
Leg Biting- need to ask John about how each lead relates to each bite
-matched lead inside leg bite- foot points back as hook, body faces sideways to threaten to collapse leg
-mirror inside- inside leg control w/ knee pressure
-matched outside- not covered (this is the dummy cross-stomp setup)
-mirror outside- similar to matched inside
Concept with leg biting seems to be to use a leg bite to destabilized the other person and make them withdraw the leg as a setup to attack the new front leg with one of several tools. Leg biting as a takedown requires a simultaneous ankle pick- leg bite, hand to foot lower level for takedown. Attack is usually made by the non-biting leg in combination with upperbody setup.
Attacks used as followup to leg biting- need to explore these more and isolate skills
-low sweep kick (low kick off dummy)- target at ankle - first throw taught was double grab with sweep kick off dummy
-hook sweep hitting above the knee
Hand controls
-upward wrapping- underhook, may proceed to shoulder control, seatbelt control, eyebrow moppping, helmet removal. Elbow up good underhook
-downward wrapping- overhook, uses open hand and pushes across body to lock shoulder and block upward wrapping
-cracking- wh*zzer
-tucking- to put a hand out of the way while entering- used grips with thumb pointing in same direction as grabbed hand thumb on both radial and ulnar sides of wrist. Used in a number of covered throws, used to control off hand first with hand control then using low back/*ss to trap during shoulder throw
-shoulder lock- L/R elbow or tricep control, other arm up in armpit in russian armdrag position, turn and throw- heng chuan app
-separate hands
- double upward- double lop off inside wedge (double rising punch used here, wedge clearly reasonable substitute) to pull them down and forward to either forehead push or headlock throw (primarily headlock throw setup)
- I think this also goes to bearhug, inside trip using forehead to push upper body
-double downward- double overhooks/ salto position- inside leg bite mirror positon, then low sweep kick to opposite leg with rear leg once the lead leg is withdrawn, combined with pull and turn to that side. Need to work balance on this
-left up right down- tuck high with left, low and out with right, fire right shoulder strike, to break balance, check with right arm while picking knee with left hand, then make inner hook for no breakfall takedown- very nice, this could be bread and butter for me, fits in the same place as my knee block throw off underhook
Headlock notes
- three points of pressure- temple, near jaw, far jaw
-develop by hanging from pole (to failure recommended, would try GTG protocol) with leg laced, until leg no longer needed
-rear body lock a potential counter- counter with spring leg- shoot a leg back (back step in chum kiu) to bump open their base- black hand series off this- stomp through other leg from grapevine
Other notes:
Three types of throws- timing, technique, power
- success with the first two may be dismissed by an opponent, the last there is no mistaking being outdone by, in challenges it is better to win with a power move
There's a bunch missing from here, but these are the basics.
Andrew