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  1. #16
    Sedgimax Guest

    Wooden Dummy

    I am kinda leaning to it be completly stationary. Didn't they just stick the body of the mook into the ground?

  2. #17
    Sihing73 Guest

    Dead or Live

    Hello All,

    There are two types of Wooden Dummy found in the Yip Man lineage, most have the same but some have more. For example, in Sum Nungs lineage they also have a bamboo dummy with nine arms. Kind of neat really :)

    Anyhow here is the common break down, Live and Dead.

    A Dead dummy is extended into the ground. This type of dummy has almost no play in it at all. It is very good for developement of a strong stance and for charging energy, ie very powerful forward pressure.

    A Live dummy is the one that is usually supported by the two crossbeams in some fashion. There is usually some play from side to side as well as back and forth. This type of dummy reacts to the pressure given and provides some feedback which will not be present with the Dead dummy. If you exert force into the Live dummy and remain in contact you will develope more feeling and sensitivity as you will "feel" the return and have to deal with it. With the Dead dummy your stance will need to be stronger as the force will return to you from the ground. The Live dummy will allow some fo this force to dissipate.

    One other thing, the square holes should alos allow a little play for the arms to move in. If you use a technique you can tell if it is correct by the position of where it ends up. For example doing a Right Bong Sau on the Left Dummy Arm the upper left portion of the arm should connect with the left edge of the whole, as you face the dummy. Also the dummy should trun slightly to your left as it absorbs the force.

    Hope this is helpful.

    Peace,

    Dave

  3. #18
    PHILBERT Guest

    Wing Chun dummy

    I am going to be building a Wing Chun dummy soon and was wondering if anyone had tips for making one. I would purchase one, but I don't want to spend $300+ on one then another $50+ for shipping. I was going to buy one from a martial arts supplier, but no one around me sells them, so I decided just to build one. I am gonna put the 3 arms on it and the leg base, put some padding on the head, but was wondering if anyone here had tips for making one. Or if there is a site that describes it in detail. Thanks.

  4. #19
    Watchman Guest
    You can find detailed plans, plus an electronic book that walks you through the whole process at www.wckfc.com.

  5. #20
    PHILBERT Guest

    Thanks

    I was reading through the forum and found other posts here about constructing one, so unless there is some new super method to it, no need for anyone else to post. Thank you, Watchman.

    PHILBERT

  6. #21
    IronFist Guest
    I am almost done building mine. Here's what I did.

    Body: Fine an 8 inch piece of PVC pipe. This will be about 8.6 inches outside diameter (make sure it's schedule 80, there is another kind called schedule 40 which isn't as thick, and therefore the outside diamter is under 8.5 inches).

    Arms and Leg: I bought arms and leg from www.wooddummy.com They are the cheapest prices I've seen, and they sell just limbs.

    Frame: Built from lumber at a hardware store.

    The hardest part is getting the holes to be the correct size. First you have to cut them out, and then I ended up spending like at least an hour per hole filing them to the right size.

    Measure everything twice, make sure you use a cloth measuring tape since you are working with a ROUND surface.

    Don't use PVC pipe as limbs.

    Don't buy the crappy PVC dummy from that one company, I forgot their name. It's entirely PVC, even with arms and legs of PVC. It's only 7 inches in diameter, to make things worse!!

    PVC bodies with wooden limbs are good tho.

    ****, this is about the grammatically worst post I've ever made :)

    Good luck building dude,

    Iron

  7. #22
    LeiWulong Guest

    Me Three

    I to built my dummy out of pvc piping but to finish it i poured concrete in the body that cemented the arms an leg in place. you could also cap off the ends and fill it with sand. both of these make it much sturdier but make it a #itch to move. And what ever you do make sure you get the thick stuff other wise it'll explode on ya.
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  8. #23
    TomB Guest

    Check it out!

    Check out my site buddy!!
    It contains a wooden dummy plan, and wooden dummy techniques.
    martialartstechniques.homestead.com/files/vechtsporten.html
    It's in dutch, but just go to the technieken and kata's section and click under wing chun on page 1 and so one. Have fun!

    Greetz,
    Tom

    Know what water is by drinking it.

  9. #24
    IronFist Guest
    Dude you filled your PVC dummy with concrete? Then the arms can't move, right?

    And I've heard the thing about filling it with sand... but that doesn't make sense to me. It seems like you could only fill the bottom area up until the leg hole. If you filled it any higher the sand would just come out the holes, right?

    Did anyone paint their PVC dummy? Did you use spray paint or what? Spray paint sometimes leaves a nasty coating that I wouldn't really want to be hitting, so any advice here would be cool.

    Might I also add, don't buy the "attach mate" that says it can turn your heavy bag into a wooden dummy. Even tho I've never used one, it just looks and sounds really lame.

    We should all post pictures of our dummies. Because, um, that would be cool, and I would like to see how other home made dummies look.

    (warning, intense hate ahead)

    Finally, don't buy a dummy from springtime martial arts, because they're expensive, and their lowest class model has like arms with square corners and the body is flat, not round. And then they sell that "makiwara man." Even funier is that their square mook jong is $850 dollars!!! That could buy TWO wooden dummies from other companies, and the other ones would would be of much higher quality. Then you still have to buy their $200+ stand. Right now their website seems to be missing pictures of their two lowest quality dummies, but if you want to laugh you can still go to:

    Spring Time Martial Arts

    The dummy with the square arms is still up, tho, but it's got a half-round body. The flat one is missing right now.

    Iron

    [This message was edited by Sihing73 on 06-30-01 at 02:46 PM.]

  10. #25
    IronFist Guest

    Hey sihing73

    Nice job editing my message :)

    Did I misspell "funnier" or was that you? I forgot how my original post went.

    So, are we not allowed to openly bash and insult companies? Since you took out my bolded line of defamation, I assume this is the case :)

    Well, sorry if what I posted was against some rules or something. I'll try to keep it clean next time I have a problem with a company :)

    Iron

  11. #26
    Sihing73 Guest

    Hi Ironfist

    Hello,

    Well, I tried to keep your opinions in the post and take out the, ahem, colorful language used in some of the descriptions ;)

    This is in no way personal I just figured that as strongly as you feel you got the message across without the use of some of the language.

    As to dissing specific companies I don't really have a problem per se just keep it clean. But hey, I may be old fashioned. The only thing I ask is that one has some experieince with the company before bashing them :p If you have some info to share that can keep someone else from getting burned then feel free to share it. But, the only thing I ask is to try and keep it clean.

    Peace,

    Dave

  12. #27
    chongnoi Guest

    springtime martial arts dummies

    I disagree with iron fist concerning Springtime Martial arts dummies. First of all they produce a deluxe dummy that is proper in all demensions ans made with 100% cherry wood that is oiled and waxed. It is quite expensive, around $1300, but quite nice. As for their flat portable wooden dummy. Well, i bought one. with shipping it cost $210. It was very good quality and serves a good purpose. It is easy to take with you if you travel a lot, and does not take up much space. As for falt corners on body and arms-that is not so. They are planed down to have a nice curve on them. It of course is not the same as a real full size dummy. But for a student who does not have a lot of space or money works quite nice. You can still palm strike and kick the sides quite nice. Another good thing about this dummy is that it hardly makes any noise when you work out on it. I reccomended this dummy to one of my students who lives ina colleg dorm-saves space, easy to mount, cheap,and does not disturb others when you work out on it. I wished I had had one of these for my small flat when I lived in Hong Kong. Don't knock a product until you have actually used it or understand it's true purpose.

  13. #28
    IronFist Guest
    chongnoi,

    I must admit their top line dummy looks very good, but still it is $1300. It better be bloody perfect for $1300.

    " [flat one] Well, i bought one. with shipping it cost $210. It was very good quality and serves a good purpose."

    Do the arms have play in them, or are they solid? j/w.

    "It is easy to take with you if you travel a lot, and does not take up much space. As for falt corners on body and arms-that is not so. They are planed down to have a nice curve on them."

    They look flat in the pic :P

    "Don't knock a product until you have actually used it or understand it's true purpose."

    But knocking products is so much fun :)

    The entire point of my post was to say that I think there are other companies who make better products, for the money. If the flat dummy suits someone's needs the best, then by all means use that one!

    Iron

  14. #29
    chongnoi Guest

    portable dummy

    Iron Fist: The arms are not solid mounted. They have play in them just like a full size dummy-but a much softer feel. It is nice working out on it as it gives a differnt feel than a regular dummy adn it seems to help with being able to stick tot he arms better as you move. Well, $1300 is quite exepnsive for their full size one-but cherry wood is quite expensive. My own personal mook jong is even more expensive and was made for me by a student. It is probably worth $2000. Body is Mahagoney. Arms and cross support slats are Teak. And the Leg is Zebra Wood. It is quite nice. For the money, two of my students purchased dummies from Ashville woodcrafters. www.wooddummy.com (???) that are really nice. They paid $750 for solid oak dummies and they are very good quality-That is who I would reccomend for wooden dummies. The worst dummies i have ever seen was one a student purchased from Cougar Mountain-over priced and poor quality workmanship. The portable dummy from Springtime was good quality and a good price and is really nce to work out on. They constructed it 100% from hard Yellow Pine and it has stood up to two years of beating so far! I have also had PVC dummies, but I prefer the portable over the PVC-I like the all wood feel. In Hong Kong, where I trained full time for 6+ months, the Ving Tusn Athletic Association has a donated dummy from Ling Ting's organization. It is okay, but you get a much better one from Ashville for the same price. And Ling Tings model has his stupid logo engraved in the front of it.

  15. #30
    IronFist Guest
    Chong,

    Ashville rules! They made the arms and leg for me for my dummy. Their website could be a bit better, but their quality and prices are excellent. Another place wanted to charge me $350.00 for just arms and leg. I could get an entire dummy (PVC body) from Ashville for that price.

    I see we agree on something :P

    Another place that appears to have good dummies is great lion, www.woodendummy.net.

    I might as well make a new thread talking about different dummy sites, since there are so many, and apparently other people are interested in this too. Be sure to reply to that.

    Iron

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