So basically what you are saying is that under any circumstance fat = badOriginally Posted by YouKnowWho
So basically what you are saying is that under any circumstance fat = badOriginally Posted by YouKnowWho
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That is not necessarily true. There are people who basically always have some fat on them regardless of how much exercise they do - unfortunately I am one of them. There used to be a top-level rugby player in Australia about 10 years ago. He looked like a couch potato, but he could run for 80 minutes.
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Behold, I see my father and mother.
I see all my dead relatives seated.
I see my master seated in Paradise and Paradise is beautiful and green; with him are men and boy servants.
He calls me. Take me to him.
We need a definition of fat
Main Entry: [1]fat
Pronunciation: 'fat
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): fat·ter; fat·test
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English f[AE]tt, past participle of f[AE]tan to cram; akin to Old High German feizit fat
Date: before 12th century
1 : notable for having an unusual amount of fat: a : PLUMP b : OBESE c : of a meat animal : fattened for market d : of food : OILY, GREASY
2 a : well filled out : THICK, BIG <a fat book> b : full in tone and quality : RICH <a gorgeous fat bass voice —Irish Digest> c : well stocked <a fat larder> d : PROSPEROUS, WEALTHY <grew fat on the war —Time> e : being substantial and impressive <a fat bank account>
3 a : richly rewarding or profitable <a fat part in a movie> <a fat contract> b : practically nonexistent <a fat chance>
4 : PRODUCTIVE, FERTILE <a fat year for crops>
5 : STUPID, FOOLISH
6 : being swollen <got a fat lip from the fight>
7 : of a baseball pitch : easy to hit
- fat·ness noun
Main Entry: [3]fat
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : animal tissue consisting chiefly of cells distended with greasy or oily matter
2 a : oily or greasy matter making up the bulk of adipose tissue and often abundant in seeds b : any of numerous compounds of carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen that are glycerides of fatty acids, are the chief constituents of plant and animal fat, are a major class of energy-rich food, and are soluble in organic solvents but not in water c : a solid or semisolid fat as distinguished from an oil
3 : the best or richest part
4 : OBESITY
5 : something in excess : SUPERFLUITY <trim the fat from the news operation —Ray Olson>
- fat·less /-l&s/ adjective
I could quote you heaps of sources if I could be bothered to dig them up.Originally Posted by joedoe
Can you be fat and fit? Yes.
Can you be thin and really, horribly unfit? Yes.
The fact that someone carries extra body fat is not a sole indicator of their overall physical condition. However, extra weight can have other effects such as increased risk of type II diabetes, joint and tendon/ligament problems, CHD, etc. However, to judge someone's martial or athletic ability simply based on their outward appearance is naive in the extreme.
Incidentally, inactivity is now the number one cause of lifestyle related premature death in the western world. That beats out obesity, smoking, drinking, drugs, etc. So, if someone is fat but they are training regularly.....
i remember half of the "personal trainer program" students at my college were weak and chubby. what made them think anyone would ever hire them?
kung fu however is not a fitness program. being strong and healthy is a side effect. if you train hard you will be in good physical condition, wether you look it or not.
LOL! Define better shape. I'm not buying it. What Ming Yu says is closer to the truth, some heavy people can indeed be in better shape then thin people, but in general fat always comes with risks.Originally Posted by joedoe
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The word Fat is just the wrong way to describe what we are talking about here. There are two catagories of people with extra weight.
1) One who is obese due to the fact of overeating, genetics, and laziness either 2 or all three. An unhealthily overweight person.
2) One who is obese due to the fact of genetics. Some people are just packing extra weight. But due to genetics they would might be unhealthy were they to not have this extra weight. Some people have a genetic predisposition to have extra weight. In other words they are supposed to be a little chubby.
Its a matter of the persons lifestyle. If they exersize, train hard and do everything needed to retain skill, endurance, and strength then they are not anywhere that they should not be in terms of physical appearance or weight. This person we can call Thick.
Now if they are lazy, eat alot of processed junk foods, sit on the couch playing nintendo and watching jerry springer, then they are just out of shape slobs. This person we can call Fat.
BIG DIFFERENCE (no pun intended)
And yes there are people who in the autumn and winter years will start to slack when it comes to training, and they will put on a few extra pounds. This is just age. They reach a point where they can adapt, regardless. A few extra tires around the waist will just be a new circumstance to adapt to. They learn how to make it advantageous.
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Originally Posted by red5angel
some people have an endomorph body type. These people will always look overweight, regardless of how fit they actually are.
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
You shouldn't spar with girls. You either don't hit them and wind up getting hurt or looking bad or you do hit them and then you just hit a girl. There are plenty of guys to play with.Originally Posted by PaiLumDreamer
I know this isn't PC, and I've seen girls throw down in the ring, but compare that to a man going full blast on her?
As for your teacher, who cares? Is he teaching you good stuff?
that's really not the right idea when it comes to sparring. if you are worried about losing or looking bad while sparring, you will never reach your full potential. sparring is merely a learning tool - an avenue to teach you to apply your skills. you learn by using that time to work what you have learned. If you focus on winning, you will eventually stagnate because you will be too focused on winning and you will use the tools that you know you can use, as opposed to branching out and trying new techniques/strategies. getting hit happens. in judo, there is a female brown belt who has thrown me a few times - no biggie - we're just practicing. We have a girl in thai boxing. it's rare that she hits me, but she has on occasion. Oh well. This is why I say that activities such as regular sparring keep an ego in check.Originally Posted by Ray Pina
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter
It's not the winning or losing in sparring. It's the bad habits, the bad muscle memory you train in holding back.
Also, I know it's not PC, but you can also train the girl to have the wrong attitude. Maybe she does OK with your light sparring, maybe she throws you. She might stomp on the wrong guys toes, kick the wrong guy thinking she can defend herself and just **** off the rapist even more.
I know this begs the question, "well, what should she do?" I don't know. I didn't design the female body. When all else fails you have to fight. But a girl would do better to try escape.
Fueiling their ego that they can fight a man is dangerous. If you're an instructor, always holding back can be dangerous too.
Originally Posted by SevenStar
sure but endomorphic doesn't mean you're fat , it just means you're heavier then the average for your body type. An Endomorph who is in good shape doesn't look fat in my opinion.
The other problem is "Endomorph" is sort of like "Rubinesque" in my book. Too many people use it as an excuse for carrying a little extra weight around. I had a freind who was a true endomorph, built like the proverbial brick sh!thouse, from head on he was practically square - but he took his shirt off and you saw the sixpack.
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Originally Posted by Ray Pina
fueling the ego is one thing. pure skill is another. I didn't realize my typo - she's a black belt... been doing judo in germany since she was 8. She's genuinely that good. I've seen her throw several guys.
As far as "training to hold back" in the thai class, we rotate partners when we spar. in 10 rounds of sparring, one to two rounds of lighter contact will NOT be detrimental to my skill by any means. And she doesn't have to hold back on me.
i'm nobody...i'm nobody. i'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo... a boxcar and a jug of wine... but i'm a straight razor if you get to close to me.
-Charles Manson
I will punch, kick, choke, throw or joint manipulate any nationality equally without predjudice.
- Shonie Carter