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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen
    Tai Chi will not stop death from cancer. It may give them something to focus on other than death and improve the quality of time they have left. Quality of life is important and some excercise is better than none.
    Exactly -- at this stage, that's the most important thing.

    My sister-in-law's mom was a very unpleasant person in a lot of respects ... having advanced emphysema and throat cancer amplified her bad attitude. She knew I practiced Tai Chi though, and asked me to find a class for her. So I drove her to the local senior center twice a week for group lessons, for a few months. She barely learned any arm movements, never learned the footwork because she was too weak to stand up. Plus her oxygen tank got in the way. The instructor had her focus on breathing, mostly. But she looked forward to it -- she had social interaction with the group, plus a bit of exercise. If she had a mood other than "bad" (something closer to "meh"), it was during this period.

    Didn't save her life, though. Emphysema & cancer in a 72 year old is pretty much unstoppable. But, she didn't ask for tai chi to save her life, she just wanted to improve what she had.

    At any rate, good on ya, Judge Pen.
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    They're a bit old for semen retention... but maybe bladder retention may be helpful...!



    Shallow stances and lots of encouragement, but most importantly, let them know that there's no shame in having to sit out for a bit if they need to.

    And BTW, I think You Know Who is already in his dotage... well, he's certainly senile anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
    If you don't teach Taiji application then you may have to take some uncessary responsibility for the future. Too serious? Maybe!

    A group of "fake Taiji masters" will be produced this way in the future and it will all link back to you. You may know very well about Taiji application but since you had never taught to those people, People in the future may think that you don't know Taiji application and you won't have any chance to defense for yourself (say 200 years from now).
    ROFL, your digging your hole deeper. He'd be teaching application IF they A. wanted it, B. where able to walk across the room without taking a break every few minutes.

    Your a callous moron, if I'm in that kind of shape when I'm elderly I hope there is someone caring enough to try and help me have a better quality of life like JP is doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
    If you don't teach Taiji application then you may have to take some uncessary responsibility for the future. Too serious? Maybe!

    I had seen people learned Taiji for health (because that person had some personal health problem) only and then turn around and teach a large group of students and spread Taiji like this (that person even form a Taiji association not too long ago in US). A group of "fake Taiji masters" will be produced this way in the future and it will all link back to you. You may know very well about Taiji application but since you had never taught to those people, People in the future may think that you don't know Taiji application and you won't have any chance to defense for yourself (say 200 years from now).

    Dude return to the mothership. Or better, Hogwart's School of wizardry.

    1. 200 years from now people could throw darts at my remains. I could care less.
    2. THESE PEOPLE ARE OLD. They won't be around that much longer.
    3. I bet you belong to one of those conspiracy groups that's out looking to prove how the government is in league with space aliens. I'm not worried about this elderly church group starting a fake tai chi 24 group and certifying others as tai chi masters. Paranoid, aren't you?

    I can see it now: Headline 2205. Tai Chi group discovered as fraudulent! Alleged Tai Chi master has arse kicked by mugger because their late great grand-master Judge Pen, undertook to teach an elderly church group tai chi and chi gung for their health and quality of life. One octogenarian passed on the teaching of Judge Pen and formed the Tai Chi/Chi Gung fighting association and began certifying famous grandmasters through out Tennessee and ultimately the world. Unfortunately, with this recent turn of events all certificates of tai chi masters stemming from this group are being revoked. There are riots in the streets. Judge Pen is rolling over in his grave.

    Man, lighten up. I'm volunteering to help some people out here. I'm not giving them false impressions or hopes as to what this will accomplish. I'm not worried about them teaching 24 to others (there's enough books out there with the entire form explained anyway.) Heck, Kung Fu magazine had a series of articles that went through this form posture by posture.

    TTT--any suggestions on how to more effectively teach the elderly?
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
    If you don't teach Taiji application then you may have to take some uncessary responsibility for the future. Too serious? Maybe!

    I had seen people learned Taiji for health (because that person had some personal health problem) only and then turn around and teach a large group of students and spread Taiji like this (that person even form a Taiji association not too long ago in US). A group of "fake Taiji masters" will be produced this way in the future and it will all link back to you. You may know very well about Taiji application but since you had never taught to those people, People in the future may think that you don't know Taiji application and you won't have any chance to defense for yourself (say 200 years from now).

    Thing like this had already happend around us. Should we be serious? It's all up to any individual whether you want your name to be linked to those group of "fake Taiji human being" or not.
    Too late... when I said don't be a tool, I should've said "Don't be a bigger tool"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Pen
    Dude return to the mothership.
    He can't that's the problem. I blew up his mothership with some goodies I found laying around Oak Ridge.

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    Get over yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWho
    Who knows, if one of them won any Taiji tournament, people may start to call that person Taiji master and the "health only of Taiji style" will start from that "founder".
    ROFL, your killing me here dude. How many times were you dropped on your head as a child on the mothership?

    Sean: I hope he's been on Cialis to get his bigger tool. Maybe he'll get one of those raging 4 hour erections and have to seek medical attention. I hope the ER doctor puts him on a treadmill cranks it up to 12MPH and tell him he'll turn it off once he gets to three miles to cure the problem.

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    I'm sorry, I didn't realize that Tai Chi 24 was super-secret. If anyof them get into the physical condition to win a tai chi tournament, then I'll do a back-flip I'll be so happy. That would be a miracle and a true testement to the benefits of tai chi.

    Teaching the form gives them something to look forward to. A sense of accomplishment.
    Last edited by Judge Pen; 04-28-2005 at 10:45 AM.
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    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    Who knows, if one of them won any Taiji tournament, people may start to call that person Taiji master and the "health only Taiji style" will start from that "founder" and it will all link back to you.
    What tournament? The "Depends" Classic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wdl
    Sean: I hope he's been on Cialis to get his bigger tool. Maybe he'll get one of those raging 4 hour erections and have to seek medical attention. I hope the ER doctor puts him on a treadmill cranks it up to 12MPH and tell him he'll turn it off once he gets to three miles to cure the problem.

    -Will
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    The beijing 24 is hardly secret. It's probably the most popular style of taichi in practice today. literally millions of people do this way of taichi.

    It's certainly appropriate for people of all ages and circumstances and the benefits are in the simple exercise.

    YKW, you gotta chill on all the taboo talk, that's old school thinking dude. Martial arts are for everybody now. It is wise to restrict the transmission from those with ill intent, but it is unwise to withhold alltogether. The one who with holds from you is only seeking to control you. But I agree that one should walk before running. This doesn't mean that one should bar others from knowing what lies ahead. forewarned is forarmed and all that and restrictive teachers tend to take their stuff to teh grave with them simply because they are intolerable as human beings. Ergo they do a great disservice to the art that was given to them. So fug em, they can keep it. lol
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    The risk that the people I am teaching will take the form that I teach and pass it on is so nominal it's absurd. Plus, how can I take your suggesstions seriously when you have already made some really obtuse and, frankly, silly comments?

    I'm teaching them 24 the way it was taught to me (absent the fighting applications/drills, pad work and sticky hands.) I'm not teaching them a martial art; it's an excercise to improve mobility, balance, joint health, muscle control and lucng function for people that really need the help. I'm forced to grossly modify the form because of the obvious health conditions of many of the students (some are seated the entire time; others are in a walker). This is a class I am volunteering for (i.e. 0 compensation other than a pot-luck dinner).
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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    So is your secretary hot or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MasterKiller
    So is your secretary hot or not?
    No, not unless you are into red-heads with children older than you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Oso View Post
    AND, yea, a good bit of it is about whether you can fight with what you know...kinda all of it is about that.

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