differences in bak sil lum forms from different schools

[sean_stonehart]

What is it with martial artists and their ideas that they have the real thing and everyone else is missing out?

It's all about "Mine is bigger than yours" or "My dad can whip your dad" mentality IMHO. It's one thing to try it out. It's another to make assumptions "Because of..."

I think it's time for the travelling global lei tai tour and signed waivers saying that all defeats are to be acknowledged in perpetuity. lol

There'd be more excuses for not fighting than fighters actually showing up.

[David Jamieson]

Yes, well, that is the indication. The whole "mine is bigger, better, etc etc" is juvenile quite frankly and I for one am quite tired of it. Nowadays, that attitude goes about as far with me as a lead balloon. lol

as for excuses, excuses, well, we see that as often as the sun rises.

Makes the whole lot of it look goofier and goofier. We have enough goofiness in Martial arts as it is. I say let the killing begin!

[SifuAbel]

I don't know who this is all directed to, but this one is about truth in advertising.

[cristiangomez]

sifu lee was an hung gar teacher but he knows bsl too, i knew that his bsl came from GM frank demaria.

i know here chans disciple and he knows and recogize lee as bsl teacher and the diferences between schools

i can say that the bsl i train is not just "power" for the view.
forms work is focus in the jing energi

salute you, cristian

[David Jamieson]

I don't know who this is all directed to, but this one is about truth in advertising.

I hear ya on that.

Which brings us around to the topic of mcdojos, mckwoons and mmmm mmmm mmm mcribs!

Still, one can have power without the "Hi yah!"

[gwa sow]

everyone shows their stuff different, thats why it is martial ARTS. evryone has their own ideas or views. make it more interesting instead of seeing the same stuff eveywhere. i like to see the same style done in different ways.

[Lokhopkuen]

sifu lee was an hung gar teacher but he knows bsl too, i knew that his bsl came from GM frank demaria.

i know here chans disciple and he knows and recogize lee as bsl teacher and the diferences between schools

i can say that the bsl i train is not just "power" for the view.
forms work is focus in the jing energi

salute you, cristian

Claudio Derenzo of BSL in Argentina also studied with Jerry Lee and Frank Demeria as well as Chen Kwok Wei and it is my understanding jery Lee is Hung Gar and not BSL. It is nice our style is spreading in the pampas, hahaha!!!


peace

[GeneChing]

everyone shows their stuff different, thats why it is martial ARTS. evryone has their own ideas or views. make it more interesting instead of seeing the same stuff eveywhere. i like to see the same style done in different ways.

I agree with this to a point. For any art, you have to put yourself into it - you have to make it yours - to make it really 'live'. Rigid copying of the masters serves only as an educative tool - there must be some variation from practictioner to practitioner, since practitioners vary. One shoe never fits all. But at the same time, there's an essence that much be preserved in BSL or any other style for that matter. At a certain point, it becomes another shoe - a new shoe - sometimes a better shoe, sometimes a worse one. One of the least discussed aspects of evolution is that most mutations die - it's not like the X-men. Most mutations (or 'variations' in our martial metaphor here) are weaker. With our generation, global communication is astounding - take this forum for example - and this is causing more mutations than ever. While I'm always happy to see distant BSL cousins with unique variations, the other edge of the sword is that I'm also seeing more crappy BSL than ever. This is happening across all styles to some degree, and I don't foresee it decreasing - quite the oppopsite. The really tricky part where to draw the line...

[cristiangomez]

Claudio Derenzo of BSL in Argentina also studied with Jerry Lee and Frank Demeria as well as Chen Kwok Wei and it is my understanding jery Lee is Hung Gar and not BSL. It is nice our style is spreading in the pampas, hahaha!!!


peace

claudio direnzo was jerry lee disciple for a long time and he learnt bsl from him as well as hung gar.
claudio`s brother (horacio) is chans disciple here and he was lee`s student at first

i can tell you bsl here is one of the most popular stiles

see you

[David Jamieson]

I agree with this to a point. For any art, you have to put yourself into it - you have to make it yours - to make it really 'live'. Rigid copying of the masters serves only as an educative tool - there must be some variation from practictioner to practitioner, since practitioners vary. One shoe never fits all. But at the same time, there's an essence that much be preserved in BSL or any other style for that matter. At a certain point, it becomes another shoe - a new shoe - sometimes a better shoe, sometimes a worse one. One of the least discussed aspects of evolution is that most mutations die - it's not like the X-men. Most mutations (or 'variations' in our martial metaphor here) are weaker. With our generation, global communication is astounding - take this forum for example - and this is causing more mutations than ever. While I'm always happy to see distant BSL cousins with unique variations, the other edge of the sword is that I'm also seeing more crappy BSL than ever. This is happening across all styles to some degree, and I don't foresee it decreasing - quite the oppopsite. The really tricky part where to draw the line...

My bsl is crappy and I have seen even crappier. So, I agree with G~

My other kungfu pwns though now that is has been thoroughly mixed with a heaping helping of mma, full contact sparring, ground fighting, boxing and a generally more intentful attitude as opposed to the mimicry it once was.

[Lokhopkuen]

claudio direnzo was jerry lee disciple for a long time and he learnt bsl from him as well as hung gar.
claudio`s brother (horacio) is chans disciple here and he was lee`s student at first

i can tell you bsl here is one of the most popular stiles

see you

Yes I know I have seen many tapes from my Bro's Claudio and Horencio. I like the way you guys perform BSL Down there!

[GeneChing]

My bsl is crappy and I have seen even crappier. So, I agree with G

Right there, that's were to draw the line.

[David Jamieson]

Right there, that's were to draw the line.

Line drawn, continuing on with live training and fitting my kungfu into it.

I would still like to get to know some more bsl where i am, unfortunately, there ain't no one around here who has it. At least not that I am aware of, and I like to think of myself as aware of where the styles are at where I'm at.

I could use some tune ups on stuff I am not correct with mechanically speaking.

[cerebus]

Bah! The reasons for the differences is that YOU are all doing it WRONG! Only I have the TRUE Bei Sil Lum!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[SifuAbel]

Bah! The reasons for the differences is that YOU are all doing it WRONG! Only I have the TRUE Bei Sil Lum!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Bei SHAOLIN...........Bak SIU lum