bending iron rod with neck?

[Vasquez]

You guys crack me up. You talk about chi-gung , gravel bags,and this and that, and you don't realize that this is a total stunt that anyone can do. I used to do this in High School and break kitchen knives, arrows, bend swords, anything on my throat.
ok, here's the big secret. You are not bending an iron bar on your throat, you are resting it on your suprasternal notch, the top of your breastbone, just beneath your throat, in that hollow. You, or your assistant presses down on the bar and it will bend. The trick is to make it appear that you are pressing inwards. I know rebar is thick, but it wasn't a two foot length, it was a very long piece, which would bend easily. The same thing with the spear, gim, arrow, whatever. You can also bend them UP, if you practice a little-meaning all of two minutes. The trick in bending it up is to use your chin. Try it, you'll pick it up easily enough. Oh yeah, don't forget to do lots of posturing, make some cool faces, some odd breathing noises, perhaps a section of the Iron Wire form. You might even want to talk about the deeper aspects of Kung-Fu-this is where you guys can go back to your talking bullsh!t about ch'i-gung, and impress everyone who is clueless..
now that you are enlightened!
I'm surprised Bullshido never picked up on this.

Fact remains you can do it the circus way or the chi kung way. with chi you don't need circus tricks.

[TenTigers]

The fact remains that you couldn't tell real ch'i-gung if it bit you in the rear.
Yes, there is real ch'i-gung. But that ain't it, pal. I'm sorry to burst your bubble,(no, actually, I'm not!) and I know many people are looking for that magic pill, that silver bullet, and probably spend way too much time watching Dragonball Z and David carradine reruns of "Kung-Fu, the Legend Continues".
You seem to like to go off the deep end in alot of yur posts, and like to act like a authority in all things Kung-Fu and Spiritual, but there are some of us, who actually study and train REAL Kung-Fu. We are not teenagers, who are impressed with your crap and hang on your every word. We have been there, done that, and realise that there are two kinds of people in this world;
Those who Do Kung-Fu,
and those who THINK they do.

[Vasquez]

The fact remains that you couldn't tell real ch'i-gung if it bit you in the rear.
Yes, there is real ch'i-gung. But that ain't it, pal. I'm sorry to burst your bubble,(no, actually, I'm not!) and I know many people are looking for that magic pill, that silver bullet, and probably spend way too much time watching Dragonball Z and David carradine reruns of "Kung-Fu, the Legend Continues".
You seem to like to go off the deep end in alot of yur posts, and like to act like a authority in all things Kung-Fu and Spiritual, but there are some of us, who actually study and train REAL Kung-Fu. We are not teenagers, who are impressed with your crap and hang on your every word. We have been there, done that, and realise that there are two kinds of people in this world;
Those who Do Kung-Fu,
and those who THINK they do.

and there're 2 types of people who do chi kung. Those that try to achieve the potential or those that marginalise the potential - saying this and that just cannot be done.

[TenTigers]

I'm not saying that it can't be done. I'm saying that what you have seen is not ch'i-gung. I certainly believe in Ch'i-Gung, and have witnessed, and felt, extraordianry things, and there are definately some things that I xtill can't explain, but there are some things that are clearly not ch'i-gung. I am not trying to discourage anyone from the path to mastery or enlightenment, but instaed trying to ensure that they do not mistake an imitation for the real thing.
Don't think for a minute that simply because it's Chinese, or related to Kung=Fu, spirituality, etc. that it cannot be misused in the same manner that Evangelists misuse the teachings of Religion to huck innocent people out of their hard-earned dollar.
Ch'i Gung is real, but you need to seek a qualified instructor. The dangers and pitfalls of improper ch'i-gung training are most certainly real. Just because it is in a book, does not mean it is harmless for people to attempt it. Just because it is used for healing, or clearing and balancing energy pathways, does not insure that if done incorrectly will not produce disasterous results. And the person who said that the effects are gradual and therefore if you were doing something incorrectly, you would notice it is completely wrong.
For anyone who claims they know Ch'i-Gung, answer this: What is Jow Faw yup moor? This phrase, this concept alone is enoygh to prove my point.

[Vasquez]

I'm not saying that it can't be done. I'm saying that what you have seen is not ch'i-gung. I certainly believe in Ch'i-Gung, and have witnessed, and felt, extraordianry things, and there are definately some things that I xtill can't explain, but there are some things that are clearly not ch'i-gung. I am not trying to discourage anyone from the path to mastery or enlightenment, but instaed trying to ensure that they do not mistake an imitation for the real thing.
Don't think for a minute that simply because it's Chinese, or related to Kung=Fu, spirituality, etc. that it cannot be misused in the same manner that Evangelists misuse the teachings of Religion to huck innocent people out of their hard-earned dollar.
Ch'i Gung is real, but you need to seek a qualified instructor. The dangers and pitfalls of improper ch'i-gung training are most certainly real. Just because it is in a book, does not mean it is harmless for people to attempt it. Just because it is used for healing, or clearing and balancing energy pathways, does not insure that if done incorrectly will not produce disasterous results. And the person who said that the effects are gradual and therefore if you were doing something incorrectly, you would notice it is completely wrong.
For anyone who claims they know Ch'i-Gung, answer this: What is Jow Faw yup moor? This phrase, this concept alone is enoygh to prove my point.

LOL I've heard that all before. next time TTTH

[TenTigers]

"Never argue with an idiot:
it doesn't get you anywhere,
and it brings you down to his level
where he beats you with experience"

[Vasquez]

"Never argue with an idiot:
it doesn't get you anywhere,
and it brings you down to his level
where he beats you with experience"

Yeah look where it got saddam when he argued with bush.

[YuanZhideDiZhen]

iron has a basic malleability not too different from pure copper. so if the iron is not hardened or tempered or alloyed it can easily be bent with slight pressure, gravity and it's own weight. it's just a matter of learning where to place it on your neck to provide the most resistance to the metal to force the metal to weaken behind your strongest point (the end of the rod/bar) near to the fulcrum or focus of your force against the rod/bar which is where it bends.

[Vasquez]

iron has a basic malleability not too different from pure copper. so if the iron is not hardened or tempered or alloyed it can easily be bent with slight pressure, gravity and it's own weight. it's just a matter of learning where to place it on your neck to provide the most resistance to the metal to force the metal to weaken behind your strongest point (the end of the rod/bar) near to the fulcrum or focus of your force against the rod/bar which is where it bends.

Fact remains it is still metal. If you get a strong man from the circus it is possible to do it with pure strength.

[Toby]

vasquez, you are the crappiest troll I've come across on these forums. You just try too hard. There've been many others who you pale into insignificance against.

[Vasquez]

vasquez, you are the crappiest troll I've come across on these forums. You just try too hard. There've been many others who you pale into insignificance against.

contribute if you have something worthwhile.

[Toby]

Considering I haven't read one single thing of yours that I would consider worthwhile, I won't bother.

[Vasquez]

Considering I haven't read one single thing of yours that I would consider worthwhile, I won't bother.

WAT EVERRRRRRRRRRR

[Lohanhero]

there was a very interesting one i saw that was the instructor of a school he had another of his students on his shoulders one holding his back(if i can remember) and two iron bars at his throat, he bent them while he also drank water was very interesting.

[TenTigers]

yep, all very nice, all simple theatrics. I have seen them do it with spears, swords, hunting arrows, chopsticks, etc, on beds of nails, with cement broken on their backs, all at once.
Just once let me see someone lie on ONE nail. Let me see them put the spear, or gim, or iron rod to their throat and have someone pop their palm on the end to drive it in straight. THEN, just maybe, you'll have something. But the rest? Simple theatrics, and certainly not ch'i-gung. just ch'i-ting. (cheating, ya get it?)